Kayani conveys army’s concerns to Zardari

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Kayani conveys army

**ISLAMABAD: Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani conveyed to President Asif Ali Zardari on Thursday the military’s concerns over the rapidly deteriorating law and order and called for urgent steps to deal with the situation.

Soon after a corps commanders’ conference, where the military’s top brass reviewed the internal security situation, the army chief met President Zardari to communicate the disquiet among his commanders about the security situation spiralling out of control.**

No details of the meeting were officially revealed either by the army or the presidency.

A one-line statement on the meeting issued by the presidency said: “Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani today called on President Asif Ali Zardari at Aiwan-i-Sadr. Security situation was discussed during the meeting.”

A day earlier, the army chief had visited Karachi for a briefing on the situation in the city where sectarianism has added a new dimension to continuing violence.

Sources in the presidency said the discussion revolved around recent incidents in Quetta and Karachi and an operation against the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi.

**They claimed that Gen Kayani had spoken about improper and inefficient utilisation of civilian law-enforcement agencies by the federal and provincial governments in dealing with terrorism.

Gen Kayani has in the past publicly expressed concerns over the poor performance of law-enforcement agencies.

He also pointed out the existence of militant wings of certain political parties and connections of some parties with terrorist groups as a major contributing factor to the wave of violence that has gripped the country.**

Gen Kayani is said to have reiterated the army’s commitment to fully supporting the civilian law-enforcement agencies if asked by the government.

With elections round the corner, the PPP government is reluctant to give the army any major role in internal security affairs as witnessed after the Kirani Market (Quetta) bombing last month in which about 100 people were killed.

While chairing the 158th corps commanders’ conference at the General Headquarters, Gen Kayani received a special briefing on the law and order situation in Karachi and Quetta.

“Apart from professional military matters, the meeting undertook a comprehensive review of internal and external security environment of the country,” the ISPR said in a statement.

The peace process in Afghanistan and a truce offer by the Tehrik-i-Taliban also came under discussion.

The board for promotion of brigadiers to the rank of major general will meet on Friday.

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my comments "hun maza aayay ga".

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my comments, technically in the "muhazib" country if military brass discusses internal situation in their meetings they would have been hanged by now.

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^ In a Muhazib country, the news would read like this:

ISLAMABAD: **President Asif Ali Zardari to ****Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani conveyed on Thursday the peoples' concerns over the rapidly deteriorating law and order and called for urgent steps to deal with the situation.

Soon after an All Parties Conference, where the political top brass reviewed the internal security situation, the president met the army chief to communicate the disquiet among politicians about the security situation spiralling out of control.**.....

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My comments!!
Acha phir?

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I think some of you guys are overreacting. This government has been pathetic and incompetent in so many ways that someone needs to remind them every now and then

Kayani is right in a way though

The internal security is the responsibility of the Government/police. Restoring peace in Karachi is the government's (not the army's) job
The army's main role is to deal with external threats and defend the borders.

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The first line of defence in any country is the police, levies and civilian intelligence agencies (like intelligence bureau). The army can only act if the civilian dispensation asks them to.

Karachi is the failure of Sindh government. The provincial government can request the army to conduct an operation, but the army would most probably refuse as they are already stretched thin.

in Pakistan army is considered to be the solution of everything. What's the use of civilian infrastructure if its doing nothing.

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*Absolutely *....... there can be no two opinions on that

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Sindh government has proven themselves to be incompetent, indifferent (to the plight of people) and have deteriorated everything in the garb of(reconciliation. Now If the army conducts an operation there the government will shrug their shoulders (and stand aside) where as all the blame will come on the army.

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And who will convey army’s dysfunction and cowardliness when comes to security of the country. I wanted to open a new thread on it. It is a shame that an organization which sucks the blood of country, responsible for internal and external threats blames Zardari.

Keeping in view the army as still the most powerful entity in the country, is more responsible than Zardari for the present status of affairs.

Pakistanion ko kab sharam aaiagi. Keeping in view the following news, Pakistan army should be disbanded. Send these blood suckers to home. Create a new professional army at 25% of the present strength covering all the population. which not only safeguard the country but also function under constitution of Pakistan.

US SEAL team was to surrender if surrounded by Pak troops

**WASHINGTON: The American commandos who killed Osama bin Laden were prepared to surrender if surrounded by Pakistani troops, says the man who killed the al Qaeda leader.

The Obama administration also saw this as a real possibility and was ready to send Vice President Joe Biden to negotiate their release, the shooter adds.

In an interview to the Esquire magazine, the shooter says he feels betrayed by the US government as he has “no pension, no health care and protection”. The interview will be published in the magazine’s March issue.

The shooter, whose name was not disclosed, was a member of the US Navy SEAL Team 6, which raided Bin Laden’s compound on May 1, 2011, and killed the world’s most wanted man. He retired in September, is unemployed since then and continues to worry how he is going to provide for his family.

While planning their raid on Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, the Team 6 also discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops.

“We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan’s president,” says the shooter.

“This is hearsay, but I understand President Obama said, ‘Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military?’ ”

The commandos were also told that “we’d be scrambling jets on the border” to back up the raiding party.

“That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am … voting for this guy (President Obama). I had a picture of him lying in bed at night,” says the shooter.

The `shooter’, as he is referred to in the interview as well, retired after 16 years, four short of the required service length for qualifying for a pension. He is also having trouble finding work because he cannot list his true credentials.

The Esquire interview goes into detail about the night the `shooter’ killed Bin Laden, as well as his life before and after military service.

Since Abbottabad, the shooter and his family have feared a retaliatory attack by terrorists.

He has trained his children to hide in their bathtub at the first sign of a problem as the safest, most fortified place in their house. His wife also knows how to use a shotgun and keeps a knife on the dresser should she need a backup. The family also keeps bags of clothes, food, and other provisions for two weeks in hiding.

“Personally, I feel more threatened by a potential retaliatory terror attack on our community than I did eight years ago,” when her husband joined Team 6, says his wife.

When the White House identified SEAL Team 6 as those responsible, camera crews swarmed into their Virginia Beach neighbourhood, taking shots of the SEALs’ homes.

After Bin Laden’s face appeared on their TV in the days after the killing, the shooter cautioned his older child not to mention the al Qaeda leader’s name ever again to anybody.

The wife could not take the pressure so they officially separated, although she still lives in the same house as she cannot afford to rent or buy another.

The Esquire points out that this is “a common occurrence in SEAL Team 6”.

“We’re actually looking into changing my name, changing the kids’ names, taking my husband’s name off the house, paying off our cars. Essentially deleting him from our lives, but for safety reasons. We still love each other,” the wife tells the magazine.

When the family asked about any kind of government protection should the shooter’s name come out, they were advised that they could go into a witness-protection-like programme.

The SEAL command told the shooter `they could get me a job driving a beer truck in Milwaukee” under an assumed identity. Like Mafia snitches, they would not be able to contact their families or friends. “We’d lose everything.”

The shooter recalls that when the Team 6 arrived in Afghanistan, they were asked to write letters to their families which would be delivered to them only if they were killed.

“The tears are hitting the page, because we all knew that none of us were coming back alive. It was either death or a Pakistani prison, where we’d be raped for the rest of our lives,” says the shooter while describing how he felt.**

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^ Nothing to do with this thread, open a new thread for that.

However whose failure do you think has brought Karachi to where it is now?

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Do you think army function in vacuum? All this carnage, what they have done in last five years to safeguard the innocent people of Pakistan. Above news article is very much pertinent to above thread. Blaming Zardari their failures will not solve the current problem. Do you think IK or N$ has enough guts to tackle this intelligence dysfunction, had they been head of state?

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That is true in other countries, not Pakistan where the Army is involved in everything.

Do not forget the history of Pakistan, Army/ISI has been more involved the in the internal situation than fighting external invaders.

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What has zardari done to address the problem? Just answer that. He is head of state, what measures has he or his govt taken.

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Kayani is the American General in pakistan army uniform he is not Pakitistans general don't be fooled.

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*Perhaps very little or none. The mercenaries have never been caught or known. They kill and vanish in to thin air as invisible. This kind of brutal activity is only possible if people with absolute power are involved or complete failure of intelligence agencies. Neither Zardari has absolute power nor he is ISI or MI or CIA. *

Let me ask you a question, what would you have done if you have been in Zardari's place under above circumstances? Remember you are forbidden to touch holy cows.

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Resigned in protest......unless I'm just power hungry, and in it for the ride.

This army has been the most docile and hands off, and this time, it is the army that is becoming the scapegoat for the utterly disgraceful govt that we have had.......at least in the eyes of PPP. All their failures are either attributable to previous governments, or to the army. They themselves are perfect....specially zardari.

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I would have resigned because I would have been the president of Pakistan not president of PPP and my loyalty would have been to my country not to my bank balance.

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In normal circumstances yes. Do you think his resignation would have brought any change in the present affairs on terrorism/secretarial killings? Anyway Zardari's tenure is up, I haven't seen IK or N$ proposed any solid action against these invisible terrorists. N$ on the other hand is supporter of these terrorists, TTP, or whatever created by Zia-ul-Haq in the eighties.