Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
India won't leave kashmir and kashmiri Muslims doesn't want to live with India.
It is more a war of determination and let's see who succeeds :)
Exactly ! Sadly for the ordinary Kashmiri that means that they are in this mess for the long haul.
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As the time has passed, Muslims have changed demographics in Kashmir anyway.
India won't leave kashmir and kashmiri Muslims doesn't want to live with India.
It is more a war of determination and let's see who succeeds :)
Kashmir is older than the artificial republic of India, and will exist even after India disintegrates.
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Where can one get a hug
In an Indian security forces interrogation room
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
At Wagah Border, like Vajpayee got one from Nawaz Sharif :D
Should he have sent him off with a fist bump instead ?
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
What is the story behind the Shareef hug
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This is not polite.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
Kashmir is older than the artificial republic of India, and will exist even after India disintegrates.
No. India is older than Kashmir by some 5000 years atleast.
Should he have sent him off with a fist bump instead ?
Yes that would have been more sincere.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
kaur bibi.
place belong to people who live there. Forcing will on people in such cases always cause blood shed. Examples ... eastern Europe ... Palestine ...perhaps east pakistan.... etc..
You would know if your own kind was living in kashmir and god forbade suffering.
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You can keep shouting from the rooftops, but you know as well as I do thats not going to happen. The only losers in the process have been ordinary Kashmiris who have been cut off from the growth in main stream India. I visited Kashmir in '87 before the troubles started and the economy (tourism driven) was booming. You visit now and things are very different. Terrorism has kept tourists out of Kashmir and it shows.
Did you find anything 'Indian' in kashmir? Frankly speaking, Kashmir is more like Pakistan than India and it should have been part of Pakistan from the get go.
Also, the way you are dismissing the 'misguided' youth tells me, you never really interacted with Kashmiris. I have not found anyone from Kashmir that is pro-India, only their degree of hatred varies.
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When it comes to Kashmir, the blame of sponsoring jihadis lies squarely on one side, "My Good Sir".
That is what India tells her citizens. Talk to any Kashmiri and ask them if they want to be part of India. Sure there could be non-Kashmiri fighters among the insurgents, but to say there is no support for them from common Kashmiris or to blame everything on those non-Kashmiris is plain dumb.
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Gone are the innocent days of Noorie and Kashmir ki kali
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
No. India is older than Kashmir by some 5000 years atleast.
Yes that would have been more sincere.
Sharif was sincere, he wasnt responsible for Kargil. Indians just need someone to blame. That being said, considering Indias own history off deceit and betrayal in regards to Kashmir and Pakistan in general, you will will forgive me if your feelings over Kargil are irrelevant to me. Perhaps we can consider why Kargil was wrong once your army vacates Siachin.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
When it comes to Kashmir, the blame of sponsoring jihadis lies squarely on one side, "My Good Sir".
Pakistan never forced a gun in anyone's hand. The motivation to fight the Indian state stems from from the coercive policies employed by the Indian government. Kashmir is a problem because India made it so.
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Sharif was sincere, he wasnt responsible for Kargil. Indians just need someone to blame. That being said, considering Indias own history off deceit and betrayal in regards to Kashmir and Pakistan in general, you will will forgive me if your feelings over Kargil are irrelevant to me. Perhaps we can consider why Kargil was wrong once your army vacates Siachin.
Okay Sharif was sincere in hug but Pakistan wasn't.
Wrong leader representing right people.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
Okay Sharif was sincere in hug but Pakistan wasn't.
Wrong leader representing right people.
I dont know who is sincere with India or who isn't. That Sharif was sincere is an opinion. But its been well established that he wasnt in on the Kargil affair.
All i know is that you have your doves and you have your hawks. India has them as well. Who wins out depends on public sentiment.
From the perspective of Pakistan, Indians are all hawks as far as Kashmir and Pakistan are concerned. From the public, to the politicians, to the Army, no one, save for a few lone voices, is sincere on Kashmir in India. Not with Pakistan or the Kashmiri people. Even the bon hommie shown by Vajpayee can be interpreted as nothing more then Indians trying to distract from the actual core issue.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
I dont know who is sincere with India or who isn't. That Sharif was sincere is an opinion. But its been well established that he wasnt in on the Kargil affair.
All i know is that you have your doves and you have your hawks. India has them as well. Who wins out depends on public sentiment.
From the perspective of Pakistan, Indians are all hawks as far as Kashmir and Pakistan are concerned. From the public, to the politicians, to the Army, no one, save for a few lone voices, is sincere on Kashmir in India. Not with Pakistan or the Kashmiri people. Even the bon hommie shown by Vajpayee can be interpreted as nothing more then Indians trying to distract from the actual core issue.
You mean to say, Vajpayee wasn't sincere?
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No. India is older than Kashmir by some 5000 years atleast.
There was no such thing called "India" until Arab traders arrived on the subcontinent in 11th century & started calling people living around Indus river "indus" (its also the origin of the word hindu fyi).
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There was no such thing called "India" until Arab traders arrived on the subcontinent in 11th century & started calling people living around Indus river "indus" (its also the origin of the word hindu fyi).
India was called BharatVarsha, the word Bharat comes from from Raja Bharat mentioned in Mahabharat. Another name used is Aryavart, Land of Aryans. So both political and social idea of India existed before Arabs :)
Kashmir, on the other hand was named after Maharishi Kashyap, who lived there. Since Bharat/Aryavart predated Kashyap
India existed before Kashmir.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
India was called BharatVarsha, the word Bharat comes from from Raja Bharat mentioned in Mahabharat. Another name used is Aryavart, Land of Aryans. So both political and social idea of India existed before Arabs :)
Kashmir, on the other hand was named after Maharishi Kashyap, who lived there. Since Bharat/Aryavart predated Kashyap
India existed before Kashmir.
Glad you agree there was no such thing called "India". In fact, whats known as India was never united until British arrived on the subcontinent & even then there were many city/states/kingdoms that were allowed to self rule. India as we known it today is less than 70 years old...where Kashmir has been around for 5000+ years.
Re: Kashmiris join insurgency against India at highest rate in two decades
Who was Raja Bharat in Mahabharata? I assume this is different from Ramas younger brother of Ayodhya fame?