I see you're just resorting to making things up now.
Tell me...which election did Mirwaiz Mohammad Farooq run in? The man was briefly used by Farooq Abdullah to gain credibility in the '83 elections, but he never abandoned his pro-Plebiscite stance. In any case, the man died a few months after the the start of the uprising, so he can hardly be considered one of the main leaders of the current movement.
As for the other three...I love how they now constitute *"Everyone that is part of the 'struggle'" *according to you.
Sure Mirwaiz was gullibale enough to have been to be used for 1983 elections ..... he did not know who Farooq Abdullah was and what he stood for.
Well of the 26 constituents of Hurriyat (whew) i was talking about the main players. Geelani , Lone brothers ( their father faught elections and they also feilded proxy candidates last time) Mirwaiz's father ..... Salahuddin .... Yasin Malik ... though only an election agent.
In Kashmir everyone is a leader ...... heard somewhere ... who is the leader of Kashmiri struggle like South Africa had Mandela, Palestine had Arafat or even India had Ghandhi ....... well in Kashmir we have a leader who likes to be called the Ghandhi of struggle, there are a couple who like to be called the Mandela of Kashmir and every second leader thinks of himself to be an Arafat.
Kashmiri's dont need leaders ...... they have had enough ... they need leadership which no one at this moment seems to command.
Aam bandha - don't waste your time trying to disprove the idiotic and one sided arguments that Pakistani supporters make when it comes to Kashmir. They will twist and squirm and squeeze purchase on any straw and strawman number in attempts to establish what is clearly not true.
This is the usual tactic - they'll make some outlandish statement (eg: a list of 'leaders' who did not participate in election); then you go and show how each one of them couldn't have because of age etc - suddenly you are charged with bringing on new 'arguments';
May be they should ask themselves why so many other leaders participated in th election
The Pakistan army and so called 'mujahideen' have run away (or chased away depending upon how you see it) from Kashmir (in most parts, since I do hear news here and there that they try to breach the border now and then).
So if they have given up, I don't know why some of the posters here continue talk as if there is any open issue here!
Guys, save your energy and time for more productive purposes! Go deal with Baluch or FATA or Taleban or whatever problems you have and let us concentrate on the well being of our people
May be they should ask themselves why so many other leaders participated in th election
You people are so pathetic.
The Nehrus served in the British colonial government. Gandhi openly encouraged Indians to enlist in the the colonial army and become instruments of British oppression in Africa.
But, being the nation of hypocrites that you are, you have no problem with the British stoogery of your own freedom fighters, but you whine on endlessly about the handful of Hurriyat leaders who participated in Indian elections on pro-plebiscite platforms.
Your frustration is understandable … i dont have to defend Gandhi’s action here … it needs no defence … infact let me put some of Nelson Mandela’s words here
The Gandhian influence dominated freedom struggles on the African continent right up to the 1960s because of the power it generated and the unity it forged among the apparently powerless. Nonviolence was the official stance of all major African coalitions, and the South African A.N.C. remained implacably opposed to violence for most of its existence
He was inspitation for Martin Luther King and is now for Barak Obama. I can go on and on but what is the point …
We are talking about the Kashmiri politicans … as you said they fought on the pro-plebisicte platform … since they have failed in the past to make any impact in these elections … they shy away from elections. Basic simple fact.
All they have is some support in the valley … they know and you know that J&K is not just about the valley.
Nelson Mandela’s misinformed view of Gandhi don’t change history any more than your hilarious denial of basic facts does.
British Declare War on Blacks
In protest of a new poll-tax, Zulus confronted and killed two British tax collectors in 1906. In retaliation, the British declared war on the Zulus. They hung, shot, and severely flogged thousands of Zulus. Around four thousand Zulus were killed during the rebellion.
While the British took active measures to raise and equip an armed force for suppressing the blacks, Gandhi also began to prepare for the war against those he called “Kaffirs.”
**Gandhi Endorses British War**
For over six months Gandhi actively encouraged the British to raise an Indian regiment for use against the Zulus. Though considered an Apostle of Nonviolence, Gandhi eagerly pursued a chance for military service. His campaign began in late 1905, when he wrote “An Indian Volunteer Corps” for the *Indian Opinion*, saying, “If the Government only realized what reserve force is being wasted, they would make use of it and give Indians the opportunity of a thorough training for actual warfare.”
Gandhi expressed his frustration that the British had not yet raised an Indian regiment in his Mar. 17, 1906 “A Plea for Indian Volunteering.” He sounded almost desperate to participate in the war on blacks when he wrote: “The Natal Native trouble is dragging on a slow existence…. There is a population of over one hundred thousand Indians in Natal. It has been proved that they can do very efficient work in time of war…. Is it prudent for the Government to allow a source of strength, which always lies at its disposal, to run to waste?”
His own quotes damn him. The man was even decorated with multiple medals for his wartime service to British imperialism. Too bad you don’t see that scene in the Indian government’s paid political advertisement, Gandhi ™: The Movie.
The elections have historically all been fixed. Its a basic, simple fact that even Indians will admit too. Your denial is absolutely pathetic.
The Nehrus served in the British colonial government. Gandhi openly encouraged Indians to enlist in the the colonial army and become instruments of British oppression in Africa.
But, being the nation of hypocrites that you are, you have no problem with the British stoogery of your own freedom fighters, but you whine on endlessly about the handful of Hurriyat leaders who participated in Indian elections on pro-plebiscite platforms.
Are you sure you're talking about the right Gandhi, usually referred to by all sane people as Gandhiji or Mahatma Gandhi out of respect?
I can't take you seriously if you did mean him. I notice somebody ha smentioned Mandela; I've also heard of Einstein and M.L.King admiring Gandhiji and taking inspiration from him.
You know, if this hypocrisy that you talk about put us in a club with Mandela, MLK and Einstein....can't be all that bad now. can it? so all I can say is
Nelson Mandela's misinformed view of Gandhi don't change history any more than your hilarious denial of basic facts does.
wow! so according to you Mandela was misinformed, Gandhiji was a British army stooge, ...what's next? MLK was color blind and Einstein was fruitcake? I'll be anxious to learn what you think of Mother Theresa, Desmond Tutu and M.A.Jinnah?
just curious to see how far you will go in this baseless twisted rant
wow! so according to you Mandela was misinformed, Gandhiji was a British army stooge, ...what's next? MLK was color blind and Einstein was fruitcake? I'll be anxious to learn what you think of Mother Theresa, Desmond Tutu and M.A.Jinnah?
just curious to see how far you will go in this baseless twisted rant
Is MA Jinnah the same person who gave a Direct Action Threat and as a result lacs of Hindus and Muslims were killed in Eastern parts of India?
Nelson Mandela's misinformed view of Gandhi don't change history any more than your hilarious denial of basic facts does.
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Janab ...... you are right you cannot change history and the place Gandhi has in history no one will be able to change. YOu are free to write whatever you want to write. I can hook you up to websites that cast doubts like this on even the "holy cows" like Jesus and the Prophet .... but that does not matter .... people know what they are and what they stand for ..... so does Gandhi .... he does not need a certificate from you.
If you get a chance to read "My experiments with Truth" ... he has discussed his own mistakes and follies and how he learnt from them.