Kashmir forum - unfair deletions

I understand that this is a Pakistani forum and I’m thankful for the folks here who allow non Pakistanis, esp Indians to post.

I have a specific complaint here about unfair censorship on the Kashmir forum. Please see ths following thread:

Kashmir Peace Talks offer

Someone had posted on this thread, news article saying that the Kashmiri Hurriyat leader wanted peace talks. The report was from a Pakistani paper.

See post

To this I had posted a news report from an Indian paper aobut British High Commisioner of India meeting with the same Hurriyat leader about talks.

Hurriyat leader meets British HC

My post was deleted saying that “illegitmate sources” are not allowed.

AFAIK, Gupshup forum rules nor Kashmir thread rules have no such requirement. I see people posting on other forums news from all over the world.

Is this really fair?

The forum is about Kashmir. Kashmir is a dispute between India and Pakistan. So, if someone posts from a Pakistani source, shouldn’t others be able to present the other side?

Besides, it was a NEWS REPORT! The same NEWS REPORT was even published in Pakistani and other countries’ papers!

Pakistani paper

Singapore paper

Bahrain paper

If only one viewpoint is to be presented, then why have a Forum at all?!

Seems fair, Indian forums dont even let Pakistanis join-a slight sources question pales in comparison.

The reason is clear enough. Indian news media is historically biased against the Kashmir struggle, and the issue on this forum should be presented from the Pakistani perspective. Therefore, I am against the spamming mechanism that has been taking place in the Kashmir Affairs for quite sometime- posting of sources which does not accurately portray the just struggle of Kashmiri people. Hence, the decision to remove posts coming from the Indian sources.

Secondly, Indian media does not allow Pakistani news coverage, especially on the Kashmir issue, and it's fair deal to filter out hate-filled news from the Indian sources.

Oh yeah. Example

**Can you explain why you deleted the post when the same news came from a Pakistani paper?

What about neutral sources? You deleted stuff from BBC/Reuters/US papers etc.**

I posted an article from a Pakistani source by a UK based Kashmiri leader Shabir Choudhry. That was deleted too!

If this is the policy, then why don’t you put it up on the list of rules?!

The fact is that you delete posts that you feel you are incapable of refuting, even if the source is Pakistani/Kashmiri/Neutral

Talwar bhai please

just tell me one indian forum where pakistanis can go and write things like "u wet dhoti indians" which u have been writting regarding pakistanis in every thread in the pakistan forum?

jitni chaader milay utnay paaon phailao.

PKC

Poodiney - this is a feedback forum and you dont need to come here holding your 'Wet Pajama'. First go and put the Nada (if you can afford one) into the pajama and let the admins/mods answer.

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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
The reason is clear enough. Indian news media is historically biased against the Kashmir struggle, and the issue on this forum should be presented from the Pakistani perspective.

** Then why have a forun to discuss it.We can say same thing about Pakistani News media also.They are also biased.Arnt they?**

Therefore, I am against the spamming mechanism that has been taking place in the Kashmir Affairs for quite sometime- posting of sources which does not accurately portray the just struggle of Kashmiri people.

** And how do you know what is accurate? Do you personally go and see every incident before deleting the post. "Just struggle" its very subjective issue.**

Secondly, Indian media does not allow Pakistani news coverage, especially on the Kashmir issue, and it's fair deal to filter out hate-filled news from the Indian sources.

*Indian media doesnt allow???? Hellooooooooo......... When did Indian media started taking decisions....... *

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Dear ,
The main purpose to have a discussion forum is to allow people to post different point of view and discuss it.If you dont allow other views which you dont agree with then why have a forum.No wonder there is never a good discussion on Kashmir forum.
Who appoint such a dumb person as Moderator.

No need to make false accusations, as I have seldom deleted any posts from the international news sources such as BBC and others. Therefore, blatant lies and petty personal attacks will not get you guys anywhere. I will say press on the point again that stop spamming the forum with fallacious propaganda from the Indian news sources, as I have no problem what so ever pressing the delete button each time when I think it's necessary. Choice is yours.

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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
No need to make false accusations, as I have seldom deleted any posts from the international news sources such as BBC and others. Therefore, blatant lies and petty personal attacks will not get you guys anywhere. I will say press on the point again that stop spamming the forum with fallacious propaganda from the Indian news sources, as I have no problem what so ever pressing the delete button each time when I think it's necessary. Choice is yours.
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You just dont get.
See when you are a Moderator,your personal view should not come into your moderating Job.You have all the right to think that Pakistani media is best and india's is crappy.But everyone doesnt agree with you and that is what the discussion is all about.
Like if you go to KK forum.Ehsan is a hardcore pakistani cricket team supporter but that doesnt mean that he keeps deleting any post which he thinks is biased. He doesnt let his personal opinion influence his Moderating job.
So start making distinction between your personal opinion and job of a moderator.

Just grow up.Stop this Taliban attitude.
Let the discussion be fair and unbiased.

Sir,

I’m not making false accusations.

The last post on this thread i.e. Post#1240086 dated 01-19-2003 10:31 AM

had a link to this Pakistani paper

Yet, it was deleted on “01-19-2003 at 11:22 AM”

I have a screen shot of this post as well.

Again, no one is denying your right to enforce rules, but the rules should be listed out.

**If you and other administrators feel that Indian media is not allowed, then please list it as a rule. I still don’t see this rule anywhere.

Complete policies for the politics forums

How can we have a meaningful discussion if new rules keep coming up?**

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*Originally posted by Poodenay_Ki_Chutney: *
Talwar bhai please

just tell me one indian forum where pakistanis can go and write things like "u wet dhoti indians" which u have been writting regarding pakistanis in every thread in the pakistan forum?

jitni chaader milay utnay paaon phailao.

PKC
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Fair point PKC bhai.

But tell me, if all Indians go, then what will be the traffic in politics forums? If we guys keep spamming then ban us. But yaar we only retaliate sometimes, that too in good fun only. All for some gupshup ;)

You can clearly see the heading being changed, while the link is still there. There are other articles from biased sources such as Rediff, which were allowed. Again, you guys have no case what so ever. In addition to that, you are in a clear breach of forum ethics by altering the editing done on various posts, while changing my own comments. You were clearly warned against such actions, and you decided to carry on.

I insist on the point again to quit spamming, and to post responsibly and don't use the forum for picking fights, and I will make sure that the same message is sent to all members.

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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
You can clearly see the heading being changed, while the link is still there. There are other articles from biased sources such as Rediff, which were allowed. Again, you guys have no case what so ever. In addition to that, you are in a clear breach of forum ethics by altering the editing done on various posts, while changing my own comments. You were clearly warned against such actions, and you decided to carry on.

I insist on the point again to quit spamming, and to post responsibly and don't use the forum for picking fights, and I will make sure that the same message is sent to all members.
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nope. I changed the heading to say - "Pakistani paper" and gave the link to the paper - Daily Times.

I have the web page saved on my hard disk, will try uploading if you want.

Just state the rules clearly and enforce them, Do not make up rules.

As for altering the messages, they were done to ask you why the post was deleted.

Again, no rule says that you cannot alter a post in your own name!

Where are these rules listed?

I'm just politely saying - please list out the rules and we'll follow them

I have made things crystal clear regarding the policies in all of my above posts. By altering the editing done by the moderators, you are in breach of the forum's ethics as you are pressing your own rules and regulations while challenging the moderator's decision. It's a no win situation. If you have anything more to say, please contact the administration.

Bhains ke Aage been bajao !!!!!!

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