Problem with poster like Anjul is that they are living in bubble created by Indian media and government that Pakistan is sending intruder in IOK.. while reality is that India has build 450 kilometer wire boundary on LoC... If Pakistan start sending freedom fighter than Indian Kashmir situation will going to worst... The difference between present day movement of Independence and 90ss is that.. Pakistan was involved in 90s but this time Kashmiris protesting against Indian occupation... Burhan Wani was not involved in any armed conflict with Indian forces... He joined freedom fighter group... his voice was getting heard by millions of kashmiris.. that irritate Indian govt.... therefore he killed by Indian forces...
Now I have posted pictures of innocent girl.. and there are many cases... Indian forces mistreating Kashmiris in occupied valley...
Resolutions are always tweaked. Heck, Russia stepped in after 1965 for Tashkent negotiations. No fine tweaking happened because India rejected even the premise to hold referendum very soon afterwards. I guess that Nehru realized that India also had to withdraw the bulk of its army except for a skeleton structure to conduct referendum.
Problem with poster like Anjul is that they are living in bubble created by Indian media and government that Pakistan is sending intruder in IOK.. while reality is that India has build 450 kilometer wire boundary on LoC... If Pakistan start sending freedom fighter than Indian Kashmir situation will going to worst... The difference between present day movement of Independence and 90ss is that.. Pakistan was involved in 90s but this time Kashmiris protesting against Indian occupation... Burhan Wani was not involved in any armed conflict with Indian forces... He though joined freedom fighter group... he voice was getting heard by millions of kashmiris.. that irritate Indian govt.... therefore he killed by Indian forces...
Now I have posted pictures of innocent girl.. and there are many cases... Indian forces mistreating Kashmiris in occupied valley...
She is showing her true self. This is why I said that India has long ways to go before calling itself America.
India has no moral standing on Kashmir. The Indians never allowed the people to choose their own fate.
Everyone in Pakistan Kashmir calls their province AZAD Kashmir. Pakistani Kashmiri aren't the one fighting for their freedom, it's the ones occupied by India. Pakistan doesn't even consider Kashmir a part of Pakistan. it is ready to have a referendum to ascertain the future of Kashmir. India is the one refusing the rights of the Kashmiri people because it knows that no Kashmiri would vote to remain with India.
What about Baluchistan? Did Pakistan allowed Baluchistan to choose her fate after sending troops? Did Srilanka allowed territory under LITTE to choose their fate? What Pakistan doesn't even consider Kashmir it's part? see her map. The position Prime Minister is only of name, PM of Azad Kashmir or PoK what we call, functions as chief minister. India does not give right to separate once instrument of accession is signed.
What about Baluchistan? Did Pakistan allowed Baluchistan to choose her fate after sending troops? Did Srilanka allowed territory under LITTE to choose their fate? What Pakistan doesn't even consider Kashmir it's part? see her map. The position Prime Minister is only of name, PM of Azad Kashmir or PoK what we call, functions as chief minister. India does not give right to separate one instrument of accession is signed.
Balochistan is recognized part of Pakistan. not the case with Kashmir.
But for the sake of argument, we will give up Balochistan if India leaves Kashmir. deal?
The official position of Pakistan is that Kashmir is not a part of Pakistan. most maps reflect this fact. India claims all of Kashmir.
What about Baluchistan? Did Pakistan allowed Baluchistan to choose her fate after sending troops? Did Srilanka allowed territory under LITTE to choose their fate? What Pakistan doesn't even consider Kashmir it's part? see her map. The position Prime Minister is only of name, PM of Azad Kashmir or PoK what we call, functions as chief minister. India does not give right to separate once instrument of accession is signed.
Balochistan is muslim (part of the reason india took over junagadh) and secondly, the ruler acceded to Pakistan but some of his other govt officials didn't accept the premise. If india was so teary eyed, then it should have taken the matter to UN but then skeletons in its own closet like gujarat, hyderabad, manipur, tripura etc would also come out in the melee.
Balochistan is recognized part of Pakistan. not the case with Kashmir.
But for the sake of argument, we will give up Balochistan if India leaves Kashmir. deal?
hahaha you are talking as if we are not debating but actual negotiators. Man, I don't want secession or demand or support for Baluchistan, Wajiristan, Sindhudesh, FATA or any separatist movement in Pakistan. Pt Nehru went to UN to avoid large scale war between two newly born States else instrument of accession was already signed. Disputed territory are those territory where Nations claim their right. You have heard about disputed borders. There are several disputed lands, and countries shows them in their map and claim, it's their territory. India shows whole of J&K in map and Pakistan shows whole of J&K in her map.
What about Baluchistan? Did Pakistan allowed Baluchistan to choose her fate after sending troops? Did Srilanka allowed territory under LITTE to choose their fate? What Pakistan doesn't even consider Kashmir it's part? see her map. The position Prime Minister is only of name, PM of Azad Kashmir or PoK what we call, functions as chief minister. India does not give right to separate once instrument of accession is signed.
Also, Nehru himself said that the people must ultimately choose their own fate. India itself acknowledged that the people are the ultimate arbitrators. then they betrayed that promise.
And India undermined it's case in Kashmir by not accepting the decision of the Nizam of Hyderabad, and choose instead to invade. the will of the ruler is valid in Kashmir but not Hyderabad?
Also, Nehru himself said that the people must ultimately choose their own fate. India itself acknowledged that the people are the ultimate arbitrators. then they betrayed that promise.
And India undermined it's case in Kashmir by not accepting the decision of the Nizam of Hyderabad, and choose instead to invade. the will of the ruler is valid in Kashmir but not Hyderabad?
There is not point of debate with Anjul... It needs right amount of courage... if one lacks.. you can not debate...
Debate for the sake of winning and debate for the sake of understanding situation and finding truth.... if later is the goal... debate can show outcome...
Yes there are several separatist movements in India as well as in Pakistan. Punjab after green revolution became rich and if Khalistan movement was not crushed, Punjab would have also demanded separation.
hahaha you are talking as if we are not debating but actual negotiators. Man, I don't want secession or demand or support for Baluchistan, Wajiristan, Sindhudesh, FATA or any separatist movement in Pakistan. Pt Nehru went to UN to avoid large scale war between two newly born States else instrument of accession was already signed. Disputed territory are those territory where Nations claim their right. You have heard about disputed borders. There are several disputed lands, and countries shows them in their map and claim, it's their territory. India shows whole of J&K in map and Pakistan shows whole of J&K in her map.
it's simple, Baluchistan is an internationaly recognized part of Pakistan while Kashmir is not recognized as being part of India.
Pakistan OFFICIAL position is that Kashmir is unsettled, and thus not part of Pakistan. India OFFICIAL position is that Kashmir is a part of India. Maps in Pakistan generally reflect this reality. Indian maps show Kashmir as part of india, and you can be arrested for sedition for making a map that says otherwise.
Yes there are several separatist movements in India as well as in Pakistan. Punjab after green revolution became rich and if Khalistan movement was not crushed, Punjab would have also demanded separation.
Kashmir situation is different... they were never given right of self determination... Kashmir is unfinished agenda of partition...
Yes there are several separatist movements in India as well as in Pakistan. Punjab after green revolution became rich and if Khalistan movement was not crushed, Punjab would have also demanded separation.
Except Pakistan acknowledges that every other state in India belongs with India. We don't question Indian sovereignty in Punjab. it's only in Kashmir that the Indian state is illegally occupying the state.
There is not point of debate with Anjul... It needs right amount of courage... if one lacks.. you can not debate...
Debate for the sake of winning and debate for the sake of understanding situation and finding truth.... if later is the goal... debate can show outcome...
No point in debating any Indian on Kashmir... They have an excuse for everything. the Indian state has been feeding these people same tired script from time of his birth. Notice how every Indian will predictably use the same exact debate points on Kashmir. You knock them all down one by one, and suddenly another indian will inevitably pop up making the same points all over again.. tiresome.
No point in debating any Indian on Kashmir... They have an excuse for everything. the Indian state has been feeding these people same tired script from time of his birth. Notice how every Indian will predictably use the same exact debate points on Kashmir. You knock them all down one by one, and suddenly another indian will inevitably pop up making the same points all over again.. tiresome.
The same can be said when you speak in support terrorists and terrorist groups but why to generalise it to all Pakistanis.
Except Pakistan acknowledges that every other state in India belongs with India. We don't question Indian sovereignty in Punjab. it's only in Kashmir that the Indian state is illegally occupying the state.
Even if I show you instrument of accession, nothing will change. And you too know very well that who behind Kabailis illegally occupied.
Kashmir situation is different... they were never given right of self determination... Kashmir is unfinished agenda of partition...
Did Baluchistan was given? Jinhone kabhi kisi ko koi right nahi diya wo right ki baat karenge toh nahi jamta..even right to profess ones own religion is taken back from Ahmadis.
