Karzai, Ahmadinejad in Pakistan for challenging summit

So what came out of this summit?

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Karzai, Ahmadinejad in Pakistan for challenging summit

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — On a day when U.S. drone-fired missiles struck twice in the militant havens of Pakistan’s tribal region, reportedly killing 14 fighters, the talk in Islamabad was all about how to broker peace in war-weary Afghanistan.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad arrived here Thursday for a two-day summit that has raised hopes, however slim, of reviving nascent reconciliation talks with the Taliban initiated by the United States more than a year .

Karzai — who was not part of the initial U.S.-Taliban talks, although Obama administration officials said he was briefed on them regularly — arrived in Pakistan after telling the Wall Street Journal that the Taliban was “definitely” supportive of negotiating a settlement with his government and its primary backer, the United States.

“People in Afghanistan want peace, including the Taliban,” Karzai told the Journal. “They’re also people like we all are. They have families, they have relatives, they have children, they are suffering a tough time.”

But longtime Taliban observers here, as well as clerics who remain in touch with the militants, said his analysis is overly simplistic. The Taliban movement includes al-Qaeda-aligned fighters who demand expulsion of all foreign troops from Afghanistan; others who seek restoration of the pre-2001 Taliban government and will not share power with Karzai; and moderates who see the wisdom of winding down a decade-long war that has bloodied all sides.

For U.S. archenemy Iran, the summit in Islamabad is more about trade, energy and security issues, officials say. But Tehran also has a stake in promoting a stabilized Afghanistan. Iran’s involvement in the discussions further complicates an already complex set of competing tribal, regional and international interests.

And Pakistan, which shares a long and porous border with Afghanistan, is often suspected of backing terrorist attacks and groups who want to stage such attacks in Karzai’s country.

“It is certainly one of the greatest diplomatic challenges in history,” said Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao, a prominent Pakistani who has led peace efforts for years and is set to meet with Karzai on Saturday.

Among the challenges are the U.S. drone attacks: Two on Thursday targeted al-Qaeda-linked militants and Taliban leaders in North Waziristan, killing 14, local security officials said. Carried out to support NATO operations in Afghanistan, the missile strikes are immensely unpopular in Pakistan — and when innocents are killed, the strikes provoke sympathy for the militants.

“Things are moving ahead now, but it will take time,” Maulana Sami ul-Haq, a pro-Taliban cleric in Pakistan known to have influence over the Afghan Taliban, said before the summit.

Karzai has expressed concern and irritation over repeated U.S. references to the important role Pakistan should play resolving the Afghanistan war, and over direct U.S. peace talks with the Taliban. He told the Journal that his government set up a meeting with Taliban representatives outside Afghanistan several weeks ago, and U.S. officials were invited to attend.

A former adviser who maintains close contact with Karzai described that meeting, and Karzai’s willingness to go to Pakistan, as efforts to demonstrate that he is in control of those relationships.

The U.S.-Taliban-Afghan government meeting has so far had no follow-up, officials said. And a Taliban spokesman strongly denied that the secret talks Karzai described had occurred, the Associated Press reported. “The Taliban did not talk with the Kabul government anywhere,” spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said.

The talks launched by the Obama administration in late 2011 with Tayeb al-Agha, a representative of Taliban leader Mohammad Omar, are designed to establish “confidence-building measures,” including the opening of a Taliban office in Qatar where the Afghan government could be brought into the discussions.

The administration has asked the Taliban to issue public statements renouncing international terrorism and supporting the Afghan constitution. The Taliban has asked for the transfer of five Afghan prisoners being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The prisoners would be transferred to house arrest in Qatar in two phases, with the first three to be followed by two additional detainees within 60 days.

Karzai initially rejected the tentative deal, on grounds he had not been sufficiently consulted, and recalled his ambassador to Qatar. The proposed arrangement was also sharply criticized by some U.S. lawmakers. The administration must notify Congress 30 days in advance of any transfer of prisoners, and must certify that there is no risk the prisoners could return to the battlefield.

The Qatar channel — along with U.S. hopes that the Afghan government eventually will participate — has been at a standstill until Karzai resolves his strained relationship with the Qataris.

Bringing the complications full circle, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani last week made his own visit to Qatar, where he signed a major natural gas agreement.

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I believe this will be nothing else but an extended photo-shoot session

Re: Karzai, Ahmadinejad in Pakistan for challenging summit

The signal it sends to NATO is that you aren't the only players on the chess board. Making a 100 dollar bet that US - Taliban negotiations in Qatar will hit a snag for a few months.

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Well the latest drone attacks I believe are mostly reactive, yesterday there were two drone attacks and we don't know who we're killed in them. Two events preceding them were:

1) pamphlets distributed by ttp in north Waziristan for maintaining peace with Pakistan army. Americans try to scuttle any such move, as they are willing to talk to taleban themselves but want to keep Pakistan bogged down by them

2) this summit between Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran (who the Americans consider as an enemy) to find out the way out of afghan embroglio (minus the Americans).

I might be wrong, but most of the militants killed by American drones are innocents and low evel insurgents but their result as a whole is not good for Pakistan government/military as it exposes their weakness and strengthens the conviction of people that our military is involved with the Americans in the drone rampage.

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America will ULTIMATELY do what is right for them, so the onus is on Pakistan to stand up for itself. But stand up and our desi muzloom population? Fugget about itt!

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nothing would come out of this useless summit! ...

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btw, wht happened to that IRAN-PAK gase pipeline project? is it under construction or it hasnt even started?

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Hamid Karzai confronts Pakistan leadership

Afghanistan’s president expresses frustration with the country he accuses of harbouring the Taliban during a visit to Islamabad

Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai, confronted the Pakistani leadership on Thursday on a visit to Islamabad as his frustration with the country he accuses of harbouring the Taliban boiled over.

Karzai’s language and tone flared to such an extent that the Pakistani prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani, intervened and called a halt to a meeting of the full delegations of the two countries, according to officials on both sides. After a break, a smaller meeting of just the top officials was held, on the first day of a two-day visit to Islamabad.

The Afghan president has long demanded that Pakistan bring the leadership of the Taliban to the negotiating table, including its chief, Mullah Mohammad Omar.

The Afghan side’s main meeting on Thursday was with the combined Pakistani civilian and military leadership, which went on for around three hours, with the Pakistani prime minister, foreign minister, army chief and head of the intelligence service all present.

At one point, apparently directing his remarks to Pakistan’s foreign minister, Hina Rabbani Khar, Karzai asked: “Would you be willing to stop girls studying in schools and university in Pakistan?” The Taliban, when it ruled Afghanistan in the 1990s, stopped the education of girls and banned women from working.

**According to one insider, Karzai also bluntly demanded that Pakistan produce the Taliban to negotiate with him during his visit to the country. The source said that the Pakistani side was shocked by the Afghan leader’s aggression.
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The nascent peace process, which offers the only hope for an end to the decade-long Afghan conflict, depends crucially on Afghanistan and Pakistan being able to co-operate. Islamabad denies that the Taliban leadership and Mullah Omar is on its soil, but Kabul and the west believe that they have sanctuary there, giving Islamabad decisive leverage over any negotiations.

Karzai is understood to deeply resent what he feels is his government’s marginalisation in the peace dialogue, which he sees as being controlled by the US or Pakistan, despite both countries repeatedly saying they want an “Afghan-led” process.

US-backed efforts in recent months to open an office for the Taliban in the Gulf state of Qatar, to kickstart talks, was an initiative that Kabul felt excluded from.

Pakistan’s relationship with Afghanistan is only just recovering from accusations last year that the ISI was behind the assassination of Kabul’s peace envoy, Burhanuddin Rabbani.

Ahead of the Karzai visit, the Afghan ambassador in Islamabad, Umer Daudzai, a key adviser to the president, told a Pakistani newspaper: “President Hamid Karzai will expect Pakistan to facilitate contacts and dialogue with Taliban.”

Pakistan says that it will aid Kabul’s peace efforts but has never spelt out what it is capable of delivering. Conversely, Pakistan says that it is unclear what Karzai is demanding of it.

“We told them (the Afghan side) that you need to clarify what it is that you want,” said Khar, speaking to a small group of foreign press following the official meetings. “We need to understand each other much better.”

“We will not block any process that works towards reconciliation.”

Khar described the discussions with the Afghan delegation as “hard” and “serious” but declined to go into any details. “We don’t have Mullah Omar to bring,” she said. “That’s the crazy perception about Pakistan. It’s ridiculous.”

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I would have been happy had she given the same to Karzai. But knowing that we are too sweet a people, I am sure he would have had no such reaction.

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Good to see both puppet governments are updating their masters on the recently concluded trilateral conference.

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