Karo Kari~

A shockingly common practice in Pakistan, “Karo Kari” involves the murder of a female member of family by a relative, because she is thought to have brought dishonor to the family.

The mere thought that a woman has contravened the code of “decent behaviour” damages honor; and women on whom suspicion has fallen are rarely given the opportunity to defend themselves. The relatives of these women have no other socially acceptable alternative than to remove the stain of honour on their family name by killing the female relative responsible.

I have been working alongside Zubeida Jalal, ex-minister of social welfare and women’s affairs and my current project is called “Dastak” which is to help such women.

What are u’re views regarding karo kari and honour killings in Pakistan?

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Despicable practice, unfortunately some politicians try to justify it.

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they dont want to alienate their voter base I suppose.

its a pathetic practice Gina, and one that really ought to get more attention. This nonsense is not limited to Pakistanis in Pakistan now, similar idiots who have managed to escape out west have demonstrated the same backward mindset, there was one in Canada not too long ago, UK has had its share of this stuff.

This gets swept under the rug as some sort of display of ghairat..while in my view this is the exact opposite.

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what an inhumane custom. Jahalat, really. May Allah give these people hidaya.

It truly is a noble thing you are doing Gina.

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I did a speech on honor killings for my class in school a couple weeks ago. The research I did on it and the cases that I got to read about were barbaric and literally had me seeing nightmares for a week. It is sick and unjustifiable for human beings to behave in such animalistic ways all for the sake of protecting their honor. What the public might not have known about the girls in question gets publicized nationwide after their death anyway so whats the point?

I personally know a family back home where the brothers and father got together and killed their 14 year old daughter for smiling at the milkman. Some family members insinuated that the smile was indicative of an affair :rolleyes:

ugh!! :rolleyes:

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nd dat poor gal was only 14.....arghhhhh.... i feel so sorry for her.... May Allah grant her Jannant nd those who are behind her death may rot in hell!

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I can only tell police/law-enforcement agencies perspective on that.
They know after the dead woman who suffered most is her own family. Even the person who killed her father/brother.
So they just leave them alone.
I AM NO ADVOCATING ANY THING!!!!
Lets not forget here in islam (in case of murder) state comes after family!!(qasas & deeat)

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^^State comes after family when murder is done by some 3rd party, not by family itself. if dad or brother is the murderer then there is no way they could overtake state.

anyways, all i can say is Ina lilahi wa ina ilaihi rajioon
its just pathetic, simply horrible. m glade atleast like all other wrong deeds they are not putting this on islam, they claim they do it for their "ghairat and cultureal honour"
we just had one honour killing in Mississauga canada where the dad and brother of the girl strangled her cuz she refused to take head scarf, and the whole muslim community was so embarrased and ashamed on this kinda act by a member of the community who always say that islam is a personal religion and women have their own rights and islam means piece. anyways ppl say that education is the only solution but ive heard about alot of educated ppl doing it, and the canadian dude is one of em, so i think there is only one thing that can prevent it and thats supremacy of law.

I recently interviewed a girl labelled as a "kari" who inspite of facing such harsh effects sumhow miraculously survived, the state however that she was in brought me into tears and made the interview ever so difficult.. Her brother chopped-off her nose and ears and threw-acid on her face and left her in a graveyard.

She told me that she had done no wrong, and it was infact her brother that tried to kill her to obtain land left in her name by her father..

I discovered that "kari's" had seperate graveyards as well.. and even if u go there to recite Surah-e-Fatiha u're risking u're own life. So far ministers have done nothing about it at and pass it on by saying "Karo kari is our ghairat and part of our culture"

The murderers that carry out the killings are not required to provide any proof, under this custom, of their allegations or utilise the formal judicial system. In majority of cases the victims of this practice are mostly women. It has been suggested by many researchers that the custom is not so much about honour anymore, and has been converted into a business for extortion or a tool for revenge.

:no:

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arab country where iam now for few more weeks

they have woman servents from bangladesh india srilanks philipine indonesia thailand etc

they call these servents in arabi "khdama" he raped his philpini servent and when she went to report to police station instead of charging that rapist all police men present in that station said lets us test you first how it happened. they gang raped her . it also reported in papers. i dont know whether these police personal involved in this incident are convicted or not

It's a sick world out there..

Disgusting, i have heared similar stories to this b4, where the women has no choice but to commit suicide....

Actually, it's a very effective tool to control them. Let's not forget, in pakistan, mostly it's about tribal affiliations. They use KARO KARI (A Sindhi term) to suppress any rivals, even within tribal elders.
There is no denying that there ARE some genuin cases, but mostly it is politically motivated.

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An yet ALL politicinas only fight for the power and their position.
Sadly the reports of police being corrupt are just too common.

It has nothing to do with islam to make sure people get no wrong idea.

BTW men have been reported to be killed for it too. In Jordan a gay man was killed by his brother.

http://www.amews.org/review/reviewarticles/mojabfinal.htm

“Honor Killing”:Culture, Politics and Theory

by Shahrzad Mojab

On January 22, 2002, Rahmi Sahindal, a Kurdish immigrant from Turkey, killed his daughter Fadime, in Uppsala, Sweden. (For further discussion of this case, see Mojab and Hassanpour (2002a and 2002b.) Fadime, a student in a Swedish university, was visiting her sister when her father shot her dead. The murderer confessed to the crime, telling police that her daughter had shamed the family. Fadime had “shamed” her father and brother by rejecting an arranged marriage and choosing her own partner. She had also dishonored the family in 1998 in a highly publicized court case against her father and brother who had threatened to kill her.

Following the 1998 case, the father received a suspended sentence, while the then 17 year old brother was sentenced to a year’s probation. In spite of court injunctions, Fadime had to hide from the male members of the family; however, she did not remain silent. She campaigned against this form of patriarchal violence known as “honor killing.” Killing for reasons of “honor” is of ancient origins, but has occurred more frequently in recent years in the Middle East and in parts of Kurdistan devastated by war. Violence against women for reasons of “honor” also happens among refugee and immigrant communities in Western countries. It is by no means a uniquely Kurdish phenomenon; it has been practiced in both the West and the East.

The short and tragic life of Fadime has turned into a site of struggle over patriarchal violence and beyond it. In Sweden and elsewhere, there was extensive protest against “honor killing” in general and Fadime’s killing in particular. The problem and the debate over it are, however, far from resolved. Public policy in Sweden, often lenient on such “culturally” motivated crimes, has come under a new round of criticism. In civil society, racists used the occasion to denounce immigrants and pressure the government to change immigration policy.

On the Kurdish side, widespread condemnation of the murder occurred, although it has not obscured the tendency among nationalists to downplay such crimes, which are thought to bring shame to the Kurdish nation. The media and academia are also involved, the former in a rather intensive way, and the latter in a subtle manner.

Honor Killing: Culture, Politics and Theory
This new case of honor killing has brought up old questions such as “Is honor killing part of Kurdish culture?” Or, “Is it a religious, Islamic, phenomenon?” There are many political and theoretical underpinnings to these questions. While I argue that violence against women should not be reduced to a question of culture, I also believe “honor killing” is definitely part and parcel of the culture of Kurdistan, and other societies in which it is practiced. However, reducing this crime to culture, may readily lead to racist interpretations and appropriations.

Kurdish culture, like other Western and non-Western cultures, is not a homogeneous or monolithic entity. Kurdish gender culture, like its Western counterparts, consists of at least two conflictual components. One component is patriarchy and misogynism, readily present in folklore, language, literature, jokes, manners and, in a word, the “lived experience” of individuals. In its violent forms, this culture is inscribed in the blood of Fadime and countless women who have lost their lives in obscurity. The other component of Kurdish culture is generally not known, affirmed, valorized, confirmed, or promoted: this is the culture of struggle for gender equality.

This culture emerged in the Kurdish press of the early 20th century (Klein 2001). It was inspired by the liberal feminist and women’s movements of the late 19th and early 20th century Europe.

By the mid-20th century, the greatest Kurdish poet of the modern period, Abdullah Goran (1904-1962), strongly condemned honor killing in one of his poems, Berde-nûsêk (A Tomb-Stone) (text in Mojab, forthcoming). Since the 1990s, there has been considerable struggle against honor killing in Iraqi Kurdistan, where the 1988 genocide known as Anfal and two Gulf Wars (1980-1988 and 1991) have destroyed the social fabric of society, and unleashed waves of patriarchal violence.
Denying or ignoring the existence of a culture of struggle for gender equality in Kurdistan or in other non-Western societies is a political position. It is patriarchal politics in the sense that it denies the universality of oppression of women and the struggle against it. It is racist in so far as it denies the ability of non-Western, non-White women to understand the conditions of their subordination, and ignores their determination to resist it.

It would be more accurate, then, to state that the killing of Fadime is in line with the norms of Kurdish patriarchal culture.

This culture is similar to, if not the same as, the Western, Christian, patriarchal culture which has allowed men and women to blow up abortion clinics and assassinate doctors who conduct abortion in the United States and Canada.

One may argue that the culture of honor killing is traditional, tribal, feudal or rural.

But what is the significance of this traditionalism if we consider the fact that in the United States men kill 10 women every day?

While these murders are not necessarily motivated by “honor,” the motivations are hardly more humane: the decision of a woman to end a relationship prompts the male partner to kill her.

Seventy-four percent of these killings “occur after the woman has left the relationship, filed for divorce or sought a restraining order against her partner” (Seager 1997: 26).

In Sweden, according to 1989 data, 39 women were battered daily and one was killed every 10 days by a man known to her (Elman and Eduards 1991: 411).

Continued… (Read the original artile by clicking the link)

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:( :( :(......I am speechless......

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here is from toba tek tek sing few months ago

Khadijah Shah
TOBA TEK SINGH, PAKISTAN, Oct. 8: Police are looking into the deaths of a newly-wed woman and her brother-in-law, who according to their family, committed suicide on Wednesday.
Family sources say both Uzma and her husband’s younger brother, Ghulam Raza, had allegedly promised to marry each other, but Uzma was married to Amer Shahzad, the elder brother to Raza, without her consent one month ago.
After marriage, Shahzad went to Dubai for job, and in his absence Uzma eloped with Raza. Their family brought them back with the promise that they would not be teased.
According to Mukhtar Ahmad, father of Raza, both Uzma and Raza took poison on Wednesday. He stated they immediately took them to hospital, but Uzma died on way while Raza expired at hospital.
Police declared honor killing in the case could not be ruled out.

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^My limited search could not find an authentic source of this alleged but sad event.

google search for honour killing in toba tek singh