Karma...?

How many of you believe in karma? Ie. what goes around comes around. Even in Islam, there is strong concept of justice but how many have you actually seen this in your own lives?

For example, we know a lady who really abused both her daughter in laws, the sons supported thier mother and now this lady’s grandson got married recently and she is even trying her best to abuse her grand daughter in law rights, the grandson supports his grandmother as thats how he was bought up. In this case, the grandmother to this day is going strong. It seems her wrong behaviour has no limit…maybe she will get her due in the next life?

Do u think a husband who denys his wife all basic rights will be forgiven if he pleads ignorance or says that his parents rights took priority? or do u think at some point life will catch up on him?

Our knowledge is too limited to isolate two events as 'cause' and 'effect'. What goes around comes around, alright. But who is to tell what went around and what came around was linked to that?

In Islam...we have rights over one another. Parents have rights over their children as children have rights over parents. Your spouse has rights over you as well. But at the same time......Islam holds YOU accountable for your sins. That's why Islam doesn't support the concept of "original sin" or the idea of someone dying for your sins. You are held accountable for every atom of good you do and every atom of evil you do, but at the same time Allah's merciful. Also, if we commit a sin against Allah....we repent to Him. But if you we wrong a fellow human being...we're supposed to seek forgiveness from them first, I believe. That sounds fair to me.

If you commit a mistake out of SHEER ignorance....then you're not held accountable. But whether or not you truly were ignorant, Allah knows best. It's hard for me to believe that someone could get away with abuse saying that it was done out of ignorance due to upbringing. Even if you try to justify something that's wrong to yourself......deep down inside you feel restless. That's your conscience's way of telling you that you're not entirely at peace with what you did. I would think that AT SOME POINT in his life.....maybe during childhood.....the abuser should have felt the pain of being abused....to know that it's wrong to repeat it. But it could very well be that the individual has been conditioned to believe that it's right or has become almost immune to it. Even then.....living in the age of information.....where you learn about abuse through various forms of the media....it's almost hard to believe that the abuser doesn't feel some shame over it. It could just be that they've accepted such practice as a personal "norm".

there was a thread like this a few weeks ago, right?

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^Yes, there was.

You may not see the person get what's coming to them. Or it could be that they are ALREADY having a difficult life....or have had a tougher life than you. Because people who are happy overall.....don't go around treating others like dirt consistently. I think you'd already have to be a pretty miserable person on the inside to frequently bring others down.

was that for me?

lol

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Allah always does justice, so I guess no worries,

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Those men who think its okay to "abuse" their wives whether physically, emotionally or mentally because they were brought up that way--well they're not really men.

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I firmly believe that people who abuse others and do injustice to them don't even know what true happiness and peace of mind is. Because their mind is always filled with negative thoughts and they are always making plans to hurt others .....they get so absorbed in their negativity that they forget to enjoy and cherish simple things in life. They don't have time to appreciate , to love , to respect because they are always working on bad and negative things. Thats a major loss if you ask me ...........imagine someone forgetting to love his child or someone ignoring rights of wife and the wife is simply bearing with him and not living with him because she loves him. These people dont know how to love and they dont get love is return. Allah takes away from them the feeling of true happiness and peace and yes that's karma I believe and may be Allah will do justice in many other ways .....who knows .....us ki lathi bari be awaz hoti hai.

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I do believe we are all accountable for our sins and injustices we do to others, so yes, karma does exist. This could be in this lifetime or the next.

Yup, you hurt someone and Inshallah they go through the same or much worse. I didn't really blv in Karma at first, I do now. It's Allah swt way of seeking 'revenge' on your behalf.

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Believe in Karma .. I feel bad for those who don't get punished in this lifetime as they will suffer way more in akkhrat

May ALLAH forgive my sins..

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I completely believe in karma-Allah sees all knows all and will punish whoever does wrong in his own way.

A while ago we went through a horrible patch with extended family. The gossiping got to hellish proportions and our lives were made miserable with the fact we knew silly people were actually believing rumours spread by family. All we could do was pray, and that's what we did-for Allah to make it all stop and the enemies to go away.

That was August 2009. The lady that was the 'ring leader' of the gossip and hate campaigner was happily married at the time, under fertility treatment and so on. The fertility treatment has since failed. Yesterday it was confirmed her husband has left her and is currently in Pakistan looking for another life. Karma got her on the a$$ alright.

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That is sad.

:k: We don’t always see others being punished for their deeds in this world(& its hard to digest this :()…some things are left for the day of judgement…

Oh yes they do, 'coz they don’t have anything else to do

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^I dunno...I think someone who has nothing better to do can't be very happy in the first place. If you're sitting around with no purpose, how content can you be?

Someone who has a rich life full of activities, friends, social outings, volunteer work, satisfying relationships, a job, etc. is someone who is probably happy and confident and doesn't feel the need or have the time to kick others when they are down.

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I believe in Karma like I believe the air I breathe in is indeed 02. There have been one too many times where I have been punished instantly for things that I have done :( and I've witnessed it happen to other people too with my own eyes. My question is, why is it that you know know people who are really bad but they breeze through life never paying the price for their bad karma? that's what I don't get!

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^ may be Allah Has kept punishment for them in after life (which would be much more severe than the punishments of life)

however I do believe in what goes around comes around , it just doesn't have any time schedule .

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^How can you be sure that they are "breezing" through life? They may look happy in public, but at the end of the day when they are behind closed doors in their own homes...the picture may not be so pretty.

And Allah SWT has said that He does sometimes give bad people a lot of material wealth and ease and happiness in this life...but that He will make them answer for their deeds in the next. No one gets away with anything...not really.

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I agree with mistral.

I firmly believe that people who do wrong to others have ugly lives because they don't have peace of mind . Their mind is always filled with negative thoughts and believe me they don't really know how to live happily. So many things that Allah Has given them and they are in possession of are not in their naseeb.