I dont mean to offend, but perhaps get a clarification on your viewpoints.
Mutilation isn't allowed in Islam, but using knives in essence violates that.
I cry tons of times when I hear stories of our sahabas r.a , rasool allah saw, and our Ambiya A.S.
But realistically, isn't it different than what shia brothers and sisters designate the specific month and time and period to perform it?
I can cry anytime, to feel sad about a certain past event is permissible, its human.
But to crystalize it in an organized fashion, on a specific date and scale, and then make it part of your faith, and how you function as a muslim or as a human being (this could be applied generally right) is much different, no?
This is my view on it, Hope I got it across well.
Wsalam
Who told you that one cannot or the Shias do not commemorate the tragedy of Karbala apart from those particular dates? People establish Majaalis throughout the year and do commemorate the tragedy of Karbala. And your objection on weeping on a specefic date is quite illogical, certain dates carry particular memories with them, for example 14 August, Pakistanies celeberate thier independence, if this particular date is of no importance to you then why not to celebrate it on 16 December, the date when pakistani troops had surrendered to Indian army? Will this be a morale booster for the pakistanies? Certainly not! The bottom line is, that certain dates do have particular incidents attached to them and thus they are rememberred!
First of all thanx for a welcome from your side. Secondly, it is indeed a surprise to me that you are aware of the matam of Ayesha etc and yet you are happily declaring a thing as Haram.
aisha(ra) didi it at occasion...just uneder sever pain of her beloved husband loss...never ever in 48 years..later ..she lived..she did it regularly..or specifically on 11 Rabiul awal every year....
may be she had repented ..for .that...but have confimation on it..and doing it regularly..is far far greater sin....
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Anyhow, the point is that there are various things which Shias deem Halal but is considered Haram in AhleSunnah and vice versa but it is my personal wish that Ahle Sunnah shall at least not bring any severe objection or comment for the topic of matam by Shias since this is related to emotions and is done under sheer grief, not something pertaining to normal circumstances like the belief against Tarwaeeh etc, so no matter it is considered forbidden by Sunnies, they shall try to remain silent 'at least' on this topic, if they do so, then I think they are in actually respecting the pain of Shias. If not, then we all shall always be ready to hear/read acerbic debates from either sides, making the ambience more acrimonious.
I dont know I am able to make my point clear or not, but I tried!
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emotions ...grief ...are nothing ..in front of the shaheeh hadees of prophet(pbuh)....simple...:)
And who told you that it is "obligatory" ? As I stated earlier, weeping for the tragedy befallen on Imam Hussain [as] is Sunnah, do you people ever act on this Sunnah? If not then do you think you are morally right to mock/object/comment on those who act on this?
Salam,
Right, but what does weeping have to do with mutilating your body?
And if by some logic it is permissible, then it should equally be done for the sahabas r.a. because the Prophet pbuh gave them a high status too.
Who told you that one cannot or the Shias do not commemorate the tragedy of Karbala apart from those particular dates? People establish Majaalis throughout the year and do commemorate the tragedy of Karbala. And your objection on weeping on a specefic date is quite illogical, certain dates carry particular memories with them, for example 14 August, Pakistanies celeberate thier independence, if this particular date is of no importance to you then why not to celebrate it on 16 December, the date when pakistani troops had surrendered to Indian army? Will this be a morale booster for the pakistanies? Certainly not! The bottom line is, that certain dates do have particular incidents attached to them and thus they are rememberred!
Apart from the discussion, If only Imam Hussian knew that his so-called followers will kill the spirit of Karbala and just make a day of incident he might have given it a 2nd thought.
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imam hussain (ra) did not go to karbala to fight....
he went there thinking that the people there r supporting him and will make him the khalifa....
when he found out that the people of kufa, formally callled shiaan-e-ali had betrayed him as they had betrayed his father and his brother before him, he did give it a second thought....
he did seek permission to return back to madina, or to go to yazid and talk the matter out with him in person or to be allowed to go for jihad on the frontiers....
but bin zeyad wud not have anything other than imam hussain (ra) giving bay't for yazid on his hand, which was totally unacceptable for imam hussain (ra)....