Re: Karachi target killings: The solution
Those were different times.
ummm, how were those times different from present?
"Crushing" is a never ending game. We tried similar solution in Bangladesh, and also in Balochistan.
Re: Karachi target killings: The solution
ummm, how were those times different from present? "Crushing" is a never ending game. We tried similar solution in Bangladesh, and also in Balochistan.
You are right but crushing the rivals is too not good.
Re: Karachi target killings: The solution
ummm, how were those times different from present? "Crushing" is a never ending game. We tried similar solution in Bangladesh, and also in Balochistan.
The previous military operations were highly politicized and targetted one political entity. Whether you like Kayani or not, he does not have the same political ambitions as Musharraf. I am not here to place thr blame solely on one party (read the MQM) when you have gangs of ANP, PPP supporter roving about. This why a military operation that targets all of the armed factions is necessary.
In Karachi, a political solution WILL NOT bring a sustained peace, which is why a full scale operation followed by military occupation is necessary. The political wings of all parties should be permitted to be operational. I want to see what these parties do after they have been neutered.
You are incorrect in comparing Karachi to Baluchistan or Bangladesh where a systematic discrimination and was/is prevalent. In both places you had the average person politicized and against pakistan. In Karachi, the vast majority of people and even these political parties want to operate within the federation, which is why crushing their armed wings will ensure compliance.
Mark my words, the Military and/or Pakistan rangers will be deployed if things get bad to worse.
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You are right but crushing the rivals is too not good.
This is why I said that we need to go after criminals, regardless of their nationalities. Punishing some and letting go others is not the solution of the problem.
If people belonging to MQM committed crimes then they should be punished, and same with ANP and PPP.
But just finger-pointing will achieve nothing except increase animosities.
Like I said, what did Mirza want to achieve by accusing MQM alone of target killing? If he believed he had criminals in hand then he should have just made sure that they get punishment they deserve.
When criminals know that their crimes won't go unpunished then they will think twice before doing something.
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This why a military operation that targets all of the armed factions is necessary.
But why can't rangers and police do the same?
Armed factions are not out in open. So it will be very difficult for army to actually find out where the arms are hidden. Only a search operation can do it.
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The previous military operations were highly politicized and targetted one political entity.
If that military operation could not succeed even when it was after just one political party then how can a new operation succeed when it is against ALL the groups?
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In Karachi, a political solution WILL NOT bring a sustained peace,
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But there can be no sustained peace without political solution.
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I see the same arguments being put forward by people who are against operation in karachi and those who oppose operation in tribal areas. Political solution blah blah bullcrap. The only way is to crush the terrorists.
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But why can't rangers and police do the same? Armed factions are not out in open. So it will be very difficult for army to actually find out where the arms are hidden. Only a search operation can do it.
Khoji its only be possible with army precence and long durtion control of Army, a house to house search and tighty security check points all exits entrance of city, ban on all kind of gatherings for a while and ofcourse not only for a limited group or race but all, gehun ke sath ghun bhi pise ga lekin there is no other way left, no poltical solution of current situtation, becoz there is no body playing fair game.
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I see the same arguments being put forward by people who are against operation in karachi and those who oppose operation in tribal areas. Political solution blah blah bullcrap. The only way is to crush the terrorists.
So the daal khors will roll into afghan colony of gosht khors I guess? :D
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In his statement above: replace the word “terrorists” with “Urdu speakers”.
dil ke phapholay from Nwaziay.
In fact, Karachi’s problem can be solved by calling a criminal a criminal, regardless of his origins and affiliations. Be he from MQM, ANP, PPP, SSP, or LJ.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/02/eight-men-arrested-on-target-killing-charges.html
Karachi Police on Sunday arrested eight people on the charges of target killing and stated that all the accused belonged to banned organisations.
Re: Karachi target killings: The solution
a house to house search and tighty security check points all exits entrance of city,.
If this is such a workable solution then why is it not tried in Jhang where most sectarian terrorists are present? Why not in Waziristan where most Talibanic terrorists are present? Why not in Quetta? Why not in Balochistan?
Why only Karachi?
"House to house search" is like hoping to hit the target while shooting in the dark. It means the COMPLETE failure of intelligence agencies.
It didn't work in 90s. It will never work again.
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**A better way would be to increase the ground intelligence. **Put spies in all political organizations and arrest people before they work on a plot. Similar to what Americans do with Saudi-inspired terrorist-wannabes in America.
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I don’t know where do you live now but I know you are a Karachite.
I know your skills and I also remember your stance against Taliban.
I request you to spend some time on terrorist attack on Karachi.
Please try to differentiate between some sec attacks and other attacks.
Look on the targets. It is very necessary.
Also search attacks on PML Q at the time of their government and MMA during the time of their government in KP.
Read once again my thread about B.B.
It will take some time but You will be surprised.
A world of conspiracies . An alliance of criminals due to different reasons.
This is not local or political matter.Please also look on my post at previous page.Very hard and very complicated.
I am not able to disclose more but you can asses .
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In his statement above: replace the word "terrorists" with "Urdu speakers".
Don't you love just twisting other people's statements. No where he said urdu speaking or is pointing at urdu speaking. Not every urdu speaking is mqmiite.
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Just like for gora people, the word "terrorist" stands for Muslims, even though no one will say it clearly and even though they know that not all Muslims are terrorists; similarly here for such people the word "terrorist" means Urdu speakers, even though it won't be said loud and clear. But we can understand it from other ways.
One example. These people will never condemn killings of Urdu speakers.
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I don't know where do you live now but I know you are a Karachite. I know your skills and I also remember your stance against Taliban. I request you to spend some time on terrorist attack on Karachi. Please try to differentiate between some sec attacks and other attacks. Look on the targets. It is very necessary. Also search attacks on PML Q at the time of their government and MMA during the time of their government in KP. Read once again my thread about B.B. It will take some time but You will be surprised. A world of conspiracies . An alliance of criminals due to different reasons. This is not local or political matter.Please also look on my post at previous page.Very hard and very complicated. I am not able to disclose more but you can asses .
I don't understand all that you said. But the purpose of posting that link was that there is not one party responsible for target killings.
And since there are multiple people involved, therefore I say that ALL criminals should be punished no matter what their affiliation is.
What I posted was the right thing to do by the police. I commend them for it.
Yes, I am against Taliban. And being against Talibanic mentality is the most important thing in my life.
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Whenever MQM is abused, you start srying killers of urdu speaking people, but, you have never come out against PPP and ANP that are involved in battles in Karachi. Just shows the old MQM ploy of hugging to power on dead bodies of people, both urdu and non urdu speakers.
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Iconoclast:
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but, you have never come out against PPP and ANP that are involved in battles in Karachi.
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What do you mean I have never come out against PPP and ANP?
I have condemned killing of every person in Karachi. In my other thread the solution I proposed was that every criminal should be punished no matter which party or nationality he belongs. I also said that if Mirza did catch 26 out of 60 target killers from MQM then he should have made sure that they get the punishment they deserve, along with other 34 killers.
When I am against Saudi-inspired Taliban terrorism then I can not approve of any other form of terrorism or violence either.
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