Karachi leadership: Penny wise pound foolish

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If you're going to limit the opportunities for people living inside a city, and expand them for outsiders, then that's not fair.

By the way, I know you were quite irked at my statements earlier, and let me say this: I am not a Mohajir, so no need to go around throwing insults around. I'm a memon by ethnicity, and I've had a few ancestral generations working in Karachi pre-partition.

If you want to provide people opportunities and promote diversity, if anything, there needs to be quota systems in all the other cities of Pakistan. Karachi has always been diverse, even before pre-partition.

Why punish people in another city, when all you had to do was create more jobs in the rest of the country? What happened as a result? People who grew up in Karachi and were schooled there lost job opportunities - the city's poverty situation got way worse - karachi experienced a brain drain since karachi's people had to leave the country to find jobs (since development wasn't done uniformly in Pakistan) - the rich and afluent Punjabi families got a chance to send their kids to schools in Karachi and jobs in Karachi. The non-karachittes who took government jobs showed no sense of love for the city, because they never grew up there! Can't blame them for missing "apna L'ore"

Where has that left us?

The country is a mess. If the quota system was remotely effective, you would have seen its positive effects. It only benefitted the Punjabis (other ethnicities from other provinces really couldn't take advantage of it, since seats were fewer in number, and the support and transport just wasn't there), and left Sindhis at a major disadvantage.

Now what do you have? Do you have a quota system in Lahore or Islamabad or other blossoming cities, to balance it all out? No.

You can't have flow going one way - its bound to leave one area full and the other barren.

I am really irked at the replies. You want the I'm a Mohajir, I'm a Punjabi, I'm a Balochi crap mentality to go, then open up the Punjabi doors for non-Punjabis to enter cities like Lahore and really take advantage. How about putting up a quota system in Lahore that x number of civic positions go to Sindhis or memons? The only major minority in Lahore is Mohajirs/Urdu-speaking people. Other than that, it still a heavily dominated Punjabi city. Same goes for Islamabad, the CAPITOL city, for crying out loud.

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abay yaaaaaar...chinese people live in china town, do only baloch ppl live in baloch colony? what about bhains colony, do only bhains live there? hmmmmm bolo

PS: one cant expect one group to lose all pride in their background while other groups wont do that. i dont even see why its a problem

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Yea it should be done and must be done on mutual basis !

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nice try of dodging my question about bhains colony.. whay about geedar colony
I mean I know pathan colony, bihar colony and baloch colony in karachi..

btw i found a great link, all bus routes in karachi..

http://www.karachicity.gov.pk/busroutes.asp?LstIns=bus

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Wow we have a Pushtoonabad in karachi , check x3 route , I didn’t know that ! btw more on your note , they have a place called faqir colony too ! check it out :

I have only used 5-c and W-11 buses , khabi khabi 5-C mein bait kay DJ college jahya karta tah! damn i miss burns road ki haleem !

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In America "expanding the opportunities to fellow Americans" is called? Equal Opportunity!

In Pakistan "limiting the opportunities to people within a city and shutting out the non-city Sindhis" is called? Fair!

Standards do vary from country to country. Haan Ms. Piyari Ji?

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OBL, what does MQM has to do with international flights not stopping at karachi?

I don't think CAA, the bureaucracy and PIA are mahajir owned or employ majority of them. Neither do I see MQM launching strellas at karachi airport now do I? You seem to be posting a lot of illogical posts these days. What is happening?

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One word! Terror!

Yes 11 mian, read the post again. It was the terror spread by MQM and Fundoo goons that drove away most of the international businesses.

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^ and how many airlines left because of overcharging of CAA?

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^^ FAA cannot charge more than Dubai Captain Ji.

Only labor in Dubai is 5-10 times that of Karachi, let alone other expenses.

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^ MQM was bombing/shooting at airplanes landing at Karachi airport?

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Yes indeed! MQM is behind the shifting of Pakistan Tobacco's factory to Islamabad back in early 1990s when they refused to pay "bhatta" and Altaf led the so-called "quit smoking" compaign.

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Religious extemisims is also responsible for exit of international flights and shifting of potential international investment as well shifting of local entrepreneaurs to the up-county ( this due to MQM).

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Yes that is also true. The CAA's charges were the most exorbitant in the entire region. This I personally oberserved when I was PIA's audit in 1998-1999.

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Sadly! Bhatta is the key word here. Bhatta is what Tribals charge in Fittay Moonh Fata. Or back in the badlands of Bihar, bhatta means your life and limbs will be spared.

Karachi has a lot more going for it, than mere Bhatta. If we can ever use MQM mafia to do positive things, believe me the city can make 1000 times more money in local taxes.

Well said!

What do you mean by entire region? Which international port/airport cities are you considering for your comparison?

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Well during audit we had data from various countries - middle east and India, CAA's landing and parking charges were at the top then (1997-1998).

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OK I don't have the stats, so forgive me if I probe this assertion.

Landing and parking charges are just one of the items in the long list of services provided by a major hub. I bet if you look at all the charges, Karachi could not have been more expensive than Dubai.

I say Dubai, because that is now the hub for most of the Western airlines.

MQM and Fundoo terror also robbed Karachi from the "Phun Phactor" ratings. Dubai or any international airport can earn a lot more from providing fun filled streets and cafes, restaurants, and hotels.

Dubai has truly excelled in becoming a service oriented city. That means they provide everything that a customer would like to have with no restrictions.

Dubai built a casino and didn't let the Mullahs protest against it. While in our case Fundoos are distributing "bum maroon ga" letters to video stores. While MQM is busy getting Bhatta from the businesses.

Sad! Isn't it?