kamran abbasi made such an imp point in his latest article. he said:
"A more fundamental problem still is the inability of Pakistan’s players to play the moving ball. At home against India they were undone by the gentle swing of Lakshmipathi Balaji and the more extravagant movement of Irfan Pathan. At the Rose Bowl, West Indies’ gentle swingers did for Pakistan’s top order. Correcting this immense deficiency against the moving ball must be a real worry for Woolmer, and has to be a priority. Top-order batsmen at the highest level should not be surrendering so easily. There is a deeper problem here, one that questions the way Pakistan’s cricketers develop in their early years: much talent but little technique. "
a million dollar point…how to tackle this problem…it is a very deep problem and it stems from our weak cricketing system…our players were literally dancing on pathan’s tunes in first 10 overs…
This is hardly a million dollar point unless Abbasi was also referring to Test Cricket..
For one-days I think Pakistan has just the right mix of batsmen (can't say the same for Test cricket though).
In one-days, a team has only 50 overs to play...so what is needed are fluent aggresive batsmen who can stroke the ball.....players who may not necessarily have a copybook technique... Hameed, Malik, Razzaq, Moin and to a lesser extent Afridi - all fall into this category. At the same time Pak has players like Inzimam and Youhana who can hold the innings together when needed. The WI match was an exception that does not prove anything.
I for one will place Pak right after Australia for one-days. But for Tests...I agree that Pak can do with a few more batsmen(other than Youhana and Inzi) who are technically sound and can bat for the long haul.
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This is hardly a million dollar point unless Abbasi was also referring to Test Cricket..
For one-days I think Pakistan has just the right mix of batsmen (can't say the same for Test cricket though).
In one-days, a team has only 50 overs to play...so what is needed are fluent aggresive batsmen who can stroke the ball.....players who may not necessarily have a copybook technique... Hameed, Malik, Razzaq, Moin and to a lesser extent Afridi - all fall into this category. At the same time Pak has players like Inzimam and Youhana who can hold the innings together when needed. The WI match was an exception that does not prove anything.
I for one will place Pak right after Australia for one-days. But for Tests...I agree that Pak can do with a few more batsmen(other than Youhana and Inzi) who are technically sound and can bat for the long haul.
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bhai shab, you are absloutly right but you did not address the problem..we are talkin abt how to tackle swing..... hameed, razzaq, farhat, malik have no idea how to to play the moving balls....in last one year, pakistan has played 80 percent of the cricket on home gound..against bangladesh, then south africa, then NZ, then india.....and all of these so called star players played on the home ground where the ball did not swing...i want them to be successful in SA, England and AUS...and based on their performance in england, i dont see them doing great outside pakistan where ball swings.....
bhai shab, you are absloutly right but you did not address the problem..we are talkin abt how to tackle swing..... hameed, razzaq, farhat, malik have no idea how to to play the moving balls....in last one year, pakistan has played 80 percent of the cricket on home gound..against bangladesh, then south africa, then NZ, then india.....and all of these so called star players played on the home ground where the ball did not swing...i want them to be successful in SA, England and AUS...and based on their performance in england, i dont see them doing great outside pakistan where ball swings.....
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hmm,,, excellent point
That is so true man. Paki batsmen just can't handle the swinging ball. I don't know why that is. With the quality of Pakistani fast bowlers, you would think these guys grow up playing good fast bowlers who can move the ball. But you can so see that they struggle against it. I think Pathan has had more success agaisnt Pakistan than any other team, this is certainly one of the reasons. Look at the way England played him and I don't know why our batsmen have so much trouble.
They should really try to simulate those conditions somewhere in Pak and have them practice there.
They should really try to simulate those conditions somewhere in Pak and have them practice there.
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a very good suggetstion indeed..i hope bablloo would be thinking along the same lines....though i dont know how can they do that.....but i am sure it is possible....
well i dono about anything else but you can't really say that for this last match with west indies, that was just a poor choice of batting first by inzi or whoever. i think any team under those conditions wouldnt have put up such a good score... probably better than the 130 or so we came up with but not much better. so yea i dont think our batsment not being able to keep up with the movement had anything to do with that match at least.
^I would agree, except that our batsmen made the very mediocre Balaji look like Wasim Akram in the Samsung Series against India. The have to play agaisnt guys like Balaji with ease if you want success with teams like Aussies and England who actually have decent bowlers.
I would say go to in the far north in the winter or Azad Kashmir,,, even Murree and the moisture + temperature should help the ball swing. Make a pitch there and get these guys practicing.
but seems like you and me are the only one who are worried abtt this point..paki batters are one of the worst when it comes to playing swing and seam....and yet, no action is taken by stupid board....people keep talkin high of yaseer, farhat and malik...they are below -average players with no potential whatsoever in international cricket....they can never be successful outside sub continent....just wait for Aus tour and u will see these "super stars"... did u guys see farhat playing pathan in last match againt india....he had absloutly no idea how to pick up pathan's line....huh..even bala jee becomes unplayable when he bowls paki cheetas....and i am not picking on these players.....it is not their mistake....it is our weak cricketing system and we need to groom these players earlier....
Yeah Pheonix yaar they keep on doing this,,, again in this match. Anybody who can even midly swing the ball, our openors make the next Wasim Akram.
First we handed Pathan the Emerging Player of the Year, now this Panagayara or whatever looks like some kind of bowling legend....
I just don't get why it's so tough for our batsmen to play these swing. You'de think by the time these guys reach the International stage they would have played some swing bowling.