Kadima Declares Victory

Suprising that there has been no thread started about this.

Not only has Kadima won an important election, this vote is Israels way of securing complete victory. Lets review some important events.

First, and most importantly the Separation Wall is being built along lines of Israels chosing.

Second, the PA is in tatters, and may soon cease to be a functional government organ.

Third, Hamas is effectively politically isolated, and despite their bluster, have no way to fund the social infrastucture of the PA.

Fourth, economic activity in the Territories is essentially dead. The only viable economic activity is trade with Israel, and that can be controlled by opening and closing gates in the wall at the time and chosing of Isreal.

Fifth, the remaining Palestinian sticking points, Jerusalem and the Right of Return are also being decided unilaterally by Israel. Today, Olmert declared that he is willing to sit down with Hamas representatives, but time is short, and peace talks need to commence within months. He is firmly in the drivers seat with regards to the timing and agenda of any negociations.

Sixth, between the wall, and the IDF the Palestinians have not been able to successfully launch suicide operations inside Israel. They are reduced to lobbing an occasional crude missle over the wall.

Politically socially, economically and militarily the Palestinians have been defeated. Their only concession can be to regain some land by negociation, land that they could have always had, but lost through aggression and wars. The election of Hamas is too little, too late, Arafat doomed the Palestinian people. Israel has won. Unilateral seems to work.

Did I just see Sharon smile a little?

Poll win boosts Olmert border plan

Ehud Olmert has begun moves to form a new Israeli coalition government, pledging to push ahead with plans to define Israel’s final borders by 2010.

“In the coming period we will move to set the final borders of the state of Israel, a Jewish state with a Jewish majority,” the acting Israeli prime minister said in a speech to supporters of his centrist Kadima party early on Wednesday.
His comments came as he declared victory in Tuesday’s general election.

“Israeli democracy has spoken clearly,” he said. “Israel wants Kadima.” With almost all votes counted Kadima looks set to secure 28 seats in the 120-seat parliament, making it the largest party but returning a weaker-than-expected performance.
Party members had been hoping to win as many as 35 seats, while during the campaign some opinion polls had shown it winning as many as 44 seats.
In his speech Olmert renewed his call for peace talks with the Palestinians and said he was prepared to make painful compromises, such as uprooting some Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
But he warned that Israel would act on its own if it can’t reach a peace deal.

This scenario appears increasingly likely following the victory by Hamas’ in January’s Palestinian legislative elections.

The new Hamas government, which rejects peace talks, was set to be sworn into office late Wednesday.
Olmert’s unilateral approach was seen as appealing to many Israelis worn down by a five-year-old Palestinian uprising and concerned by Hamas’s rise to power.
However, Palestinians say such unilateral moves, including tracing a border along a fortified separation barrier Israel is building inside the West Bank, would deny them a viable state.

In his victory speech Olmert appealed to Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, saying Jews had aspired for thousands of years to create a homeland throughout the Land of Israel, biblical territory that includes the West Bank.
“But acknowledging reality and circumstances, we are ready to compromise, to give up parts of the beloved Land of Israel … and evacuate, with great pain, Jews living there, to create the conditions that will enable you to fulfil your dream and live alongside us,” he said.
If the Palestinians did not move towards peace, he said, “Israel will take its destiny in hand” and set permanent borders after lobbying the United States and others for support.
Hamas itself was swift to condemn Olmert’s unilateral approach, describing it as “a clear threat.”
“He has his own plan, and he wants to implement it, whether we accept it or not,” said Nasser Ashar, Hamas’ deputy prime minister.

Negotiations call
Abbas meanwhile urged Israel to return to the negotiating table.

“We want negotiations and not to dictate unilateral solutions,” he said at a summit of Arab leaders in Khartoum, Sudan.
Other summit participants voiced similar calls. “It is absolutely out of the question to accept … unilateral withdrawals according to Israeli whims,” said Amr Moussa, secretary-general of the Arab League.
As moves to build a new I sraeli coalition got underway, Kadima officials said they were confident of broad backing from other parties, putting a government in place after the Jewish holiday of Passover, which begins in mid-April, and finalising Israel’s withdrawal plan within a year.

“I believe we will have more than 70 legislators who will support the disengagement plan,” Haim Ramon, a senior Kadima member, told Israeli radio.
Following Tuesday’s vote, the centre-left Labour party is the second largest party in parliament with 20 seats, followed by the ultra-Orthodox Shas with 13, the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu with 12 and right-wing Likud with 11.
The results were seen as a sharp setback for Benyamin Netanyahu, Likud’s leader and a former prime minister.
Netanyahu pledged to stay on as Likud chief, a post he regained only three months ago after Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister, left the party amid an internal revolt over Israel’s pullout from settlements in Gaza.

Quitting Likud, Sharon founded Kadima before suffering a stroke on January 4, from which he remains in a coma.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7E0C07EE-6574-4A54-A29B-64D417B2ED5D.htm

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Let us hope the Palestinians get a proper decent state now where they can live in peace and with dignity. Israel should have to withdraw all of its troops from Palestinian areas and the Palestinians should have their own army.

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Palestinians with their own army? First, if the combined armies of Syria, Jordan and Egypt could not defeat the Israelis, what do you think a ragtag Palestinian army could do to the Isrealis. They would be wiped out in an hour. Second, how can they afford an army? Perhaps people really don’t understand how dire the economics are in the Territories. What they need is jobs, peace and security. Read on:

Palestine outlook ‘dire’
WASHINGTON: The Palestinian economy risks implosion from an Israeli crackdown and threatened cuts in foreign aid following the election victory of hardline group Hamas, the World Bank warned yesterday.
In the worst-case scenario, it said in a report for donor countries, unemployment among Palestinians will jump to about 40 per cent this year and the percentage of those living below the poverty line will rise to 67.
The World Bank outlined four scenarios, with the worst and most likely being that Israel continues to withhold tax revenues owed to the Palestinian Authority ¶ and that Western governments cut their budget support.
Even under the best and improbable scenario of no abrupt change in funding for the PA, “Palestinian economic prospects are not good”, the report said.
It noted that donor countries believe that growth in Palestinian gross domestic product (GDP) must reach 10pc a year just to bring rampant unemployment down to acceptable levels.
But even with the most optimistic projections, the bank sees growth in Palestinian GDP per capita falling from 6.3pc last year to 4.9pc in 2006, and then turning negative in subsequent years.
The Israeli blockade of PA customs revenues would reduce the authority’s budget resources to $700 million to $750m this year, compared with its draft 2006 budget of $1.9 billion.
“A fiscal outlook of this nature is incompatible with continuity in essential government operations,” the report warned.
Both the US and European Union have threatened to cut their funding if the Hamas does not commit itself to non-violence and recognise Israel’s right to exist before it forms a new government following its January election victory.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=138277&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28362

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I find it strange that all the Israelis and west are demanding that Hamas should recognize Israel as a state at the same time they allow parties like Likud to run for elections which not only doesn’t recognizes any Palestinian state it calls for its destruction and for estabishing a Jewish state from river Jordan to the sea. That has been the official Likud position for decades.

At the end of the day, as one tyrant once said peace and justice is just for the powerful.

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Likud has shifted back and forth through the years and is now position further right and in response Israeli voters gave them only 11 seats which is 27 less that what they had and is their lowest total ever. Kadima meanwhile is expected to be able to form a coalition with parties from the center and to the left. What is Hamas going to put on the table?

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At this time, due to popular vote, they are still waiting for the "democracies" of the world to provide them enough so they can have a table before putting something on it. There are fewer examples in the world for collective punishment, we have seen the kind which the Iraqis or the Libyan or Pakistani faced but its a whole new level for the Palestinian. Its not far before they are made an example.......it would be an another victory for democracy.

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I have no idea what the Pakistani or Lybian analogy here is meant for. However, as an example, just by Musharaff, or successive military dictators, saying there is democracy does not mean one exists. Democracies are built by the people over time, something that has not taken root in the Islamic world.
One of the key concepts in democray is voicing your beliefs and taking responisbility for them. The Palestinians did that with Arafat, and now are doing the exact same thing with Hamas. Now that they have spoken, they have to take the responsibility for it. Part of electing a terrorist organization means having to deal with the consequences.
Hamas is running around the Arab world with their hands out. They say they need billions per year to function. Now that that entire Muslim world rejoiced at the victory of hamas, why not come to their aid give them the money they need?
It really is a shame that Sharon did not have a partner in peace in Arafat, but I suspect Ohlmert will have the same problem with Hamas.

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This reminds me of a scene from the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Two knights are fighting (let's not get into the Crusader discussion here) one Knight has clearly won the fight, cutting the limbs off his opponent. Yet the defeated knight continues on with the illusion that he can win.

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The Libyan and Pakistani or the Iraqi analogy was based on the sanctions they had to face in which by large only the people suffered, due to voting or not voting for their leadership. (This is very important point as where does one draws the line between the people and its representative administration, different debate though).

As I said earlier justice is with the powerful. People in Israel are allowed to vote for Likud, a terrorist organization by its manifesto and actions, but it never faced any consequences. There are no sanctions against that, but in your POV the Palestinian voted for a terrorist organization and they should be ready to face the consequences. So now you can see how peace and justice is delivered.

As far as the money from the rejoicing Muslim world, its going to be there. The Saudi and Irani "democracies" would do their best to help their Muslim brethren.

Now its really a shame that Arafat never stood to his words or by his actions but, thanks to Israel, they let him stay in power for almost 12 years by not allowing elections to be held in the PA. Now that they are held and the people have spoken, but since the you dont like the results you say there are no partners, are the Israelis blind, cant they see who got elected by the people of Palestine. So dear, if I want peace and justice I will just put a table and start talking to the peoples representative.

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western world should stop finding palestinians and let them figure out themselves and let HAma have a taste of how difficult it's to start a public-transport hich they love to blow off...........

as we speak I am hearing rumor in india that Hama authrity will be recognized there.. trust congressi to act like loonie in cases like this

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If I am not mistaken, Likud got Palestinian Gaza area regardless of their "manifesto".

The idea is to have some slogans, and still keep an eye on the realities. Palestinians in particular, and Arabs in general have been living in their fantacies, and that my friend resulted in utter failure.

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Now with Canadian aid cut off as well. I see a sign of more terrorists coming out of Palestine and more suicide bombers. I think the Palestinians will need some maan-o-salwa to survive after the election of Hamas. NPR did a good piece on following a UK graduate starting a computer business in Palestine and how now he's thinking of moving to Egypt as people don't have money to buy food, why would they buy his PCs.