BBC: Sunday, 28 October, 2001, 06:51 GMT
“Unidentified gunmen on motorcycles have shot dead at least 15 Christians in Pakistan. The attack took place during a service attended by over 100 people at a Roman Catholic church in the eastern town of Bahawalpur.”
Do you think the above action, given the current state of war in the region, was justified under Islam?
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Originally posted by Logic User:
*BBC: Sunday, 28 October, 2001, 06:51 GMT
Do you think the above action, given the current state of war in the region, was justified under Islam?
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.. this the most idiotic question which can ever be asked ? u have very little knowledge of Islam.. killing of a human being is never justified except in a state of war in any religion .. and taking life of innocent people is a murder.. I am surprised why u asked such a question ?
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*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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Islam is love and peace. Islam came to dissolve differences between people. Any acts involving shed of an innocent blood is far from humanity, let alone something as great as Islam.
I may be young, Ali_R and Shehzaada, But I do know this. Never, ever must you think that the person you are explaining your faith to knows all about it!
It is your duty, as a muslim and a good human to answer the person’s question to your best of ability and never must you
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at them. No matter how dumb the question…
Logic,
No Islam never justifies killings. Killing is murder and in Islam murder’s penalty is Death!!!
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This is against Islam. These killers have labelled themselves as “Muslims” but that does not mean that they “really” are following Islam. They are bunch of idiots, morons. They don’t know which religion they are following, the only thing they know is that they are following their leader (another moron claiming to be knowledgeable).
Punishment of killing is execution/killing of the culprit. These guys (if they can ever be arrested) should be executed in public.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
its amazing how these people go around blaming all every Muslim of commiting "Shirk", while they are themselves the ones who put aside Allah's commands and follow blindly their jahil mullas ( not Aalims). This is the worst example of shirk.
What makes you think that such actions are justified under Islam? And further more what makes you think it was muslims who did it & not some Indian Agents out to make Pakistan look like a fundo state?
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Originally posted by Logic User:
**BBC: Sunday, 28 October, 2001, 06:51 GMT
"Unidentified gunmen on motorcycles have shot dead at least 15 Christians in Pakistan. The attack took place during a service attended by over 100 people at a Roman Catholic church in the eastern town of Bahawalpur."
Do you think the above action, given the current state of war in the region, was justified under Islam?
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It is definitely justified by the kind of Islam you "used to" follow. As a matter of fact I think you made a wise decision of quitting that kind of Islam, but the sad part is instead of looking for the real Islam, you have drifted further away from it, but you know what, its not even sad, its actually pretty good, I don't want a pathetic loser like yourself following the same beautiful religion I follow.
adios
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
Hola Amigo!
So what exactly is the REAL Islam you are talking about. The only Islam I know is the one in the Quran and the "sunnah" of Prophet Mohammed as written in the hadiths, starting about 150 years after the death of the prophet. Why do I sense hostility, hate and intolerance in you?
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Originally posted by Logic User:
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Why do I sense hostility, hate and intolerance in you?**
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Good grasp of the obvious!
I have no respect whatsoever for a low life who deliberately tries to disrespect my religion, and everyone here knows what kind of attitute you have towards Islam.
As for you asking me about the REAL Islam, well again, I'd rather have you stay away from it, for the reason previously posted,
comprende?!
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
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Originally posted by Logic User:
**Hola Amigo!
So what exactly is the REAL Islam you are talking about. The only Islam I know is the one in the Quran and the "sunnah" of Prophet Mohammed as written in the hadiths, starting about 150 years after the death of the prophet. Why do I sense hostility, hate and intolerance in you?**
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Bro Logic User:
I beleive that the hate/hostility (I know u said that to DJM, but I'm talking in general) we see against each other (different sects) in our society is due to lack of knowledge. We should listen to different interpretations, but we should not "discard" other interpretations as "out of Islam", "kufr", etc. Since general public lacks knowledge of Islam, they think that whatever the opinion of 'scholar', 'molvi',etc is, is THE opinion, and if that 'scholar', 'molvi' said that other opinions/interpretations are "haraam" then they beleive that it really is "haraam" and they don't want to even think about it.
I beleive, whatever "haraam" is mentioned clearly is "haraam" in QURAN and we should not make "haraam" of our own. If 'you' think something is haraam then don't impose your thought/opinion on others, simply avoid it yourselves. This is what I do, and beleive that it encourages harmony in different sects.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Muslims are a very intolerant community. For them anyone who questions the logic of Islam is ignorant, has no knoledge.
We do not find such rigidness among followers of other religions.
Muslims, especially those Muslims who have spend their childhood at Madrisa have no knoledge of Islam. They are just programmed.
Why does a mass murder even have to be identified as Islamic? Even if the people claim their religion is Islam. Why isn't just identified as a mass murder ??
God Religion and Murder do not mix.
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Girl
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anad, same could be said about hindu extremists but who gives a sh*t?
btw, Did you know that all Pro-Taliban parites in Pakistan have shown their disgust for such an act? Most of the members of these parties are madarassa thought.
Its a shame that people like you have put our religion and schools on such negative views. And no! Muslim are not reasponsible for this, because people should be smart enough to differentate between such and so 'n so just like with other religions.
Unless you are some dumbf**k, which we can see.
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for GIRL
Islam does not support (unjustified) killing of an individual, so a mass murder can by no means be associated with Islam....
for ANAND
i dont think u have any idea about Islam or u wud not call it an intolrenat religion....
and i dont know is the madrasah people r programmed or not, u seem very much programmed....
i wud higly recomend that u study Islam thoroughly before u use such remarks for the religion....
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Originally posted by armughal:
**for GIRL
Islam does not support (unjustified) killing of an individual, so a mass murder can by no means be associated with Islam....
for ANAND
i dont think u have any idea about Islam or u wud not call it an intolrenat religion....
and i dont know is the madrasah people r programmed or not, u seem very much programmed....
i wud higly recomend that u study Islam thoroughly before u use such remarks for the religion....**
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Well I don't believe that any God respecting person approved killing of any kind!