Re: Justice Bhagwadas takes a stand..
please define this "you people' term you throw about? :) dysfunctional 'democracies' of BB and Nawaz were better? is that what you are saying?
and why should people get over the 90's, who was in power in 90's, who is back in political scene now, viola benazir and nawaz. So in this back to the future scenario, you simply can not afford to forget how they handled certain things.
This is not being used to justify anything wrong being done today, but a reality check of when ppl talk about 'return' to democracy.
are we simply refusing to admit the attacks on judiciary during civilian govts? I even gave an example of Nawaz and Sjjad Ali Shah. Point being 'return' to 'democracy' as we saw it is simply not enough, we need to ask for establishment of true democracy not return to some sham democracy.
agree 100%. and we have infortunately seen military as well as civilian dictatorships. Just because certain individuals got into office by votes does not mean that they acted in a democratic manner.
independent and clean judiciary...that is indeed needed.
dude...so what is so different than what was dont to judiciary in a civilian rule era of Nawaz. if you get off your musharraf bashing and simply look at it from a logical perspective, you can oppose Musharraf yet not lose sight of the fact that ppl who are clamoring for power (musharraf, nawaz, BB) and those who benefitted from it (Ifti, bhagwan das, Javed Iqbal etc)..benefited from illegal actions like the assault on supreme court during Nawaz era.
ask for democracy, ...yell screaam, fight, shout, work, rally, eveything in your power, but please lets work towards a real democracy. Questioning statemenst such as 'return' to 'democracy' should be questioned because we can nto go back to what it was in the 90s, we need to move ahead.
You people who fail to realize the danger of having this corrupt dictator running the country.., Blind supporters of dictators.. If you want to count yourself among them then your more then welcome...
Yes you do need to get over the 90's. You people, yes YOU people, need to realize that regardless of what happened in the 90's Pakistan STILL needs democracy and it STILL need functional institutions...
There are a number of things you forget, no govt was allowed to complete it tenure, so you honestly can assume anything... Nawaz Sharif for example, atleast in his first term, might have done some good.
Also, dont fool yourself into thinking that the Army wasnt calling the shot behind the scenes...
Also, SIMPLE concept here... A DEMOCRACY, needs time to mature. If each govt is cut of automatically then thats not allowing democracy to mature. If the govt is corrupt, then you dont just throw out the govt, you bring it to trial... In a functional democracy, their is accountability, but that accountability can only be developed through strong institutions, SUCH AS AN INDEPENDANT JUDICIARY. In Pakistan, Democracy has never had a chance to mature because each time the military has stepped into destroy it. Thats why I cite India, because despite its dysfuntional sytem, they still managed to keep the system in place... (For all intents and purposes, their democracy has been their greatest strength.. They never had to call an emergency martial law to handle their many insurgencies.._)
Also, Musharaf has attacked the civil society, which could potentialy provide the country with a counter weight against the Army and the feudals. Thats another reason why there was so much hope this time, because the ground situation has changed from back in the 90's.
Again, A DYSFUNCTIONAL DEMOCRACY WORKS FAR BETTER THEN A FUNCTIONAL DICTATORSHIP..
A dictatorship can never work in Pakistan, people in Pakistan... Or any other country for that matter. Dictatorships end to cetralize power and deny other people a place in the governance of the country.
A democracy, no matter how flawed, is atleast somewhat representative. The PPP may be corrupt in many ways, but it is relatively representative as it has broad based support. Same with PML, although far less in Sindh.
Eventually, its not up to the Military to decide who should be or not be in power... In a DEMOCRATIC nation, the people decide in free and fair elections, who should rule them... If Naqaz Sharif or BB were correct, it will be the peoples right to choose whether they deserve to rule or not. If they do get in power, it will be the role of the other institutions of the govt, the Judiciary and the legislative to keep a check on the power of the executive.
And thats the tragedy, that we dont have these institutiont. We almost had a free Judiciary, but Musharaf has wiped that hope out.