Just whose side is Pakistan really on?

An ally in the war on terror or a haven for jihadists? After every outrage, it’s the state in the spotlight, says Christina Lamb
For budding suicide bombers all roads seem to lead to Pakistan — and last week’s global alert over a suspect massive terrorist attack did nothing to dispel that view.

“The moment I heard the first news about the airline plot, I knew it was just a matter of time until we heard the word Pakistan,” said a US intelligence agent. “Whether it’s 9/11, the Bali bombs, 7/7 and now this, Pakistan is always the connection. That’s gotta raise some questions." The roots of Pakistan’s reputation as a haven for jihadists run deep. It was, after all, in the city of Peshawar that Al-Qaeda was born after ISI, Pakistan’s military intelligence, started to recruit Arabs to fight in the Afghan jihad.

It was ISI that turned the Taliban from a bunch of religious students into a movement that took over Afghanistan. According to Hamid Karzai, president of Afghanistan, ISI continues to provide a safe haven, training them to fight British soldiers in Helmand.

Whose side is Pakistan on? After September 11, when Pakistan’s leadership was given the blunt choice by President Bush — “you’re either with us or against us” — it had little option. The decision to support Bush’s war on terror turned President Pervez Musharraf from a pariah dictator to a feted world leader.

It was a lucrative move. Pakistan has again become one of the biggest recipients of US aid — just as it was during the Afghan war against Soviet occupiers when ISI was the main conduit for arms and funds. Since September 11, America has dismissed $1.5 billion in debt and provided Pakistan with more than $3 billion in military assistance.

Last year Pakistan was one of the world’s fastest-growing economies. It recently placed a $2.5 billion order for American F-16 jet fighters — as much as Afghanistan’s entire annual foreign aid.

However, Musharraf has been walking a tightrope. At home he has been the target of three assassination attempts and much criticism, while abroad his commitment is under increasing question.

Critics point out that the six top Al-Qaeda officials so far captured, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammad (KSM), the mastermind of 9/11, were all arrested in Pakistan. They were not hiding in caves but living in cities like Karachi and Faisalabad. KSM was picked up in the military cantonment of Rawalpindi.

It was in Pakistan where Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter, was murdered in 2002. Pakistan has refused to extradite Omar Saeed Sheikh, the British-born Muslim convicted of the killing, prompting speculation that it fears what he might say.

Sheikh was in ISI custody for a week before the FBI was informed and is reported to have given himself up to his former ISI handler. We also know from official reports that two of the July 7 bombers, Shehzad Tanweer and Mohammad Sidique Khan, travelled to Pakistan.

It was Khan’s second trip. It is still unclear what they did there, but British intelligence believes they underwent training and made martyrdom tapes. What is certain is that on their return the pair rented a place to build bombs.

Pakistan’s problem is that extremist organisations and training camps, such as those linked to the London bombers, were either created by, or supported and used by, ISI.

The camps were set up in the late 1980s with US backing to train fighters for jihad in Afghanistan. Their mission was expanded in the 1990s to send jihadis to the contested province of Kashmir to fight a proxy war with India.

“Pakistan is still in denial,” said Husain Haqqani of the Carnegie Endowment in Washington whose book, Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military, looks at state sponsorship of jihadi groups.

He points out that many senior figures in Pakistan’s military establishment had probably run camps: “The attitude of condoning extremist behaviour is so pervasive that it may be difficult for people to adjust to a new attitude of cracking down on them.”

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What do you people of Pakistan think actually whose side you people are??? Please answer honestly.

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yeah..president Musharraf got targeted by extremists for assassination multiple times because they really like him and dont fear the actions the government has been taking.

If we start looking at some recent attacks and attempted attacks, ranging from richard reid, to the 7/7 blasts in London to this recent arrests based on Pak intel info, one would say whose side is UK on, letting these guys roam free until either one clowns shoe fails to go off, or other guys are caught because Pakistan found some info.

Pakistan, like any other country is on its own side. The extremists presence in Pakistan is not good for Pakistan itself, whether or not there was an international issue present. Musharraf had started banning extremist groups before 9/11, and Musharraf had to qustion why groups like HT were free to operate in UK.

Christina Lamb also needs to focus on prividing the full background and not just the part that supports her story. Yes Pakistan supported religious extremists during the war against Soviets in Afghanistan, This was a proxy war by US and the weapons that these people received were US weapons. Would one really think that US did not approve or was not involved in the .

Yeah these guys are foriegn militants, but if I recall correctly, these were the brave mujahideen per world media inlcuding US media and even pop culture and hollywood.

Why look at Pakistan as the issue, middle eastern countries as well as central asian republics encouraged their militants to go and become someone elses problem. These were cheap foot soldiers who thought they had some higher calling. Thus was exploited by everyone involved. And no, not all of these were foriegn.. anyone who has any background of the war against soviets would know that the vast majority of these ppl were still afghans.

So yes, these mercenaries are a problem, they were created for a reason and now that the reason is no lnger around, they are ging around looking for where else they can make a ‘difference’

And for thosr wondering about Pakistan being unable to control its borders…I think the day US can stop all the mexicans crossing the borders illegally then we can talk whether patrolling the borders is so easy.

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ive seen christina lamb on a sky news interview after she'd visited afghanistan and was cought up in a battle between taliban gunmen and allied forces. she suggested on national tv that the pakistani ISI were behined the re-arming of the taliban. she also suggested that the allied forces go in allot harder with more brutal weapons and 'really show them'. my intrepetation is she meant 'all of afghanistan!'. she without doubt is a complete madwoman. a very rascist one at that.

ISI ka peecha kar rahi hai from her imagination

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Pakistan's on nobody's side. (President Musharraf has adopted the 'quid-pro-quo' policy since 1999.)

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But what Pakistan has achieved with this policy in last 7 years :confused: Dont you think so situation in pakistan is worst now compare to 1999 ??? specially after 9/11 attack.

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The Super Powers never learn lessons, Afghanistan's & Pakistan's common border has always been a No Man's Land, and on America's border with Mexico, if US is unable control who crosses from Mexico's flat lands, You think Pakistan can control that range of Mountains called Hindu Kush?

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I am on anti-terror side, but I don't believe in all the terror list we get from clown Bush. I am personally against any terrorism against civilians be it on "national" lines, ethnical, racial, religious etc.

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o yeaar and what this bakwaas of pakistani forces allowing militants to cross back and forth nto afghanistan as half brain biased reporters say and that karzai fellow..

the militants can slip back and forth because of the terrain, its very tough to monitor.

allied forces and afghan warlords etc are more then welcome to block their side of the border so this back and forth movement does not occur, hopefully this will decrease the flow of drugs also.

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Heheh..:clown: Captain now you please tell me today which Pakistani groups are not in your terror list and who are terrorists group in Pakistan according to you, please check your previous posts before giving any reply otherwise you could be caught red handed… :hoonh:

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is this a Q&A session or a discussion? ;)

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Actually I’m looking for honest people. :naraz:

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so true, another anti pakistani conspiracy!

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Honest answer is Pakistan is on its own side as every country on the globe is.

Pakistan supported Mujahideen and OBL because USA asked it to do it.
Pakistan stopped supporting Taliban because USA asked it to be on its side or be on the other side.

Pakistan opted for its own side! in all cases.

in other cases where US asked but Pakistan didnt follow it for being on Pakistan side.
Nuclear program - never stopped even US asked it many times.
Chinese friendship - never put a stop on that cause US want it.
Kashmir - Pakistan will never retreat back from its stand on Kashmir.

So plain and simple answer for you is - Pakistan is always on its own side to protect its interest as every country is suppose to do.

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bachay, I have long list of terrorist organization … the words “any terrorism against civilians” should be clear enough for anyone on which parties would be on the list.

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are you saying you have not found any? I guess honest ppl do step up for honest debates.

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But dont u think so buddy Pakistan is doing exactly what US orders according to this theory???

It means Pakistan gave dokha to Talibaniz and Mujahideens just coz of Americans and these are the same Mujahadeens who were fighting in Kashmir as a Freedom Fighters according to Pakistani Govt., but now those same groups have become terrorists in pakistan list woh bhi just coz of Americans.

Organisations like Hizbul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed were Freedom Fighters according to **Pakistan stand on Kashmir **but suddenly they are terrorist groups, why ???

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Heheh.. Captain you are really very smart. Ok atleast just name a few Anti-Terror ogranisations of Pakistan coz according to me I think you will have definitely changed your list… :hoonh: I just wanted to see If you speak the same what you have posted in your previous posts or you have changed your mind…:smiley:

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I am sure you want to see Lashkare Jhangvi and Lashkare Tayeba in the list … yes they are there :stuck_out_tongue:

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why dont people just friggin ask what they are getting at than doing some cat and mouse bullshyt. its so much like mohallay ki buaa aunties ..

Captain, good job of just ending this lame charade and just stating it like it is.

I mean diff groups are considered welcome or not wlecome in a country based on what is known about them, their activities and frankly the circumstances,

After all UK had mohajiroun and HT running free, US did not always have hamas and hizbollah on their terrorist groups list, and actually US at one point considered Nelson mandella a terrorist..India was the first non arab country to have a PLO embassy, while PLo was considered as terrorists by others.

things change, grups change, circumstances change.. No one is acting in an altruistic manner anywhere, everyone is watching his own interests, be is US, China, UK, Pakistan, ..or frankly burkina faso, burundi or lesotho

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The problem is not that the GOP isn't on Americas side..every military dictator has been after all (its easier to get dictation from the US than it is from the people for some reason).. the problem is that America is never on Pakistans side. No surprise there, while it is very dangerous to be an enemy of America it almost fatal to be its ally (except if your nations name begins with I and ends with L).

Ms. Lamb has a deep dislike of the ISI, and the feeling is very mutual. She (probably rightly) accuses the ISI of manipulation both internal politics of Pakistan and Afghanistan.