Musharraf’s government has laid siege to the Janikheil, Wazirastan, a village housed by three hundred families and is now bombing the area. Their alleged crime is that they have given refuge to Muslims holding Saudi and Indonesian nationalities. Regretfully, we have to remind the government that their own Prophet Muhammad Al-Arabi (saw) was also not a Pakistani. So, God forbid, would he (saw) be treated the same way by the Government as the Arabs are being treated today? Islam declares any discrimination on the basis of colour, lineage, region or language as haram (prohibited). The true Islamic State, i.e. the Khilafah, is the representative state of all the Muslims. Moreover, Muslims from any region can gain its citizenship.
Like the Israeli government, Musharraf’s government has ordered the demolition of the houses of its own citizens. After “September Eleventh”, under American dictation, witless steps taken by the government have caused not only deaths of thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan but have also enslaved Pakistan in a way resembling the pre-1947 era. Today Musharraf does not feel the need of American forces to participate in operations against Muslims because it is better for American interests that Muslim blood is spilled on both sides during clashes.
No offense, ak47, but I dont think Wazirstan/FATA/tribal areas represent *true Islamic State *. Its a lawless area and they are giving refuge to extremists like Al`Qaida militants. The tribesman have also vowed to “kill any alies of US troops”, and that means Pak troops/govt officials including Mush. These guys were given a chance and now they are being dealt with properly. As they say “Laaton kay bhoot, baaton say nahin maantay”.
Oh and btw, you are quoting from some article from khaliafa dot com I believe. Provide the link as well to that hizb ut tahir site
In the meantime, check the following article related to above.
Demolishing houses is wrong and can't be justified in any way. It wouldn't happen in any civilised country and Pakistan's reputation can only suffer because of it.
As for cleaning up NWFP/FATA areas, Pakistan should go ahead and do it if it's possible. I don't blame the Americans for staying out of the conflict and hoping Pakistani troops will do the job instead. It will probably be quite a tough job in those remote areas.
demolishing homes is disgusting behaviour this is what muslims have been protesting for years against in occupied palestine now to see it in pakistan is big insult. I don't care if bin ladin himself in them homes there is better way to behave then blowing up family homes of women and children this kind of behaviour makes pak forces look like israeli army and that is probably biggest insult any muslim can have to be compared to the israelis!
Demolishing homes is the most effective means to get the message across. It is even more effective than shooting and killing, which simply makes these guys into martyrs and gets others aroung them riled up to join the 'cause'. Demolishing homes makes them pay in a very direct way. It makes them dependent upon others, and they have to justifly their zealtory from the beggar status. I think it is a very smart move. As far as Arabs and indonesians are concerned, the humble request is please pack up and go back to your own countries.
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well! where should I start .......let me tell u I was in pakistan in july ...I specially stayed at Perl continental karachi (opposite sheraton) to ask some of the people there what they tought of the bomb explosion which killed 30 ppl french including pakistanis, believe me the driver of PC cab said that he had night mares for a week for what he saw that morning he said pieces of human remains fell as far as the 4th floor of karachi PC in ppls rooms, at 7:42 am.he said a mans intestine were lying in the electric wires that pass through sheraton and PC the things he said are so disgusting that I cant mention them here ...The same was true for the ppl who died infront of karachi US embassy all were pakistanis ........I will let u know where I am leading with this conversation if u read my whole post........if u stop a kid on karachi street and ask him who did this they know its al_Qaeda ....then possibly u havent met with the wives and mothers of those 40 soldiers who died in a clash with al-qaedas sympathisers in wazirstan ...if u would have seen the pain in there eyes I dont think so u would have opened this thread .
Just imajine any one who thinks that ppl (forget europeans and americans) pakistanis should be slaughtered , whether the ppl who think this way are from countrys like saudia and chechnya or they r ppl who sympathise with them should all be given the tuffest punishment possible.....I still think Musharraf is not being harsh enough ,.......because I would have made an example of these TRATORS that at least there 5 future generations would have remembered.
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Demolishing homes is the most effective means to get the message across. It is even more effective than shooting and killing, which simply makes these guys into martyrs and gets others aroung them riled up to join the 'cause'. Demolishing homes makes them pay in a very direct way. It makes them dependent upon others, and they have to justifly their zealtory from the beggar status. I think it is a very smart move. As far as Arabs and indonesians are concerned, the humble request is please pack up and go back to your own countries.
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At least be consistent in your views. If you believe that demolishing homes is the correct method of punishing suspects then you should also campaign for a similar punishment to be introduced in America. These are 'suspects' remember, not convicted criminals. Are you suggesting that people arrested on suspicion should have their houses demolished in the US as well?
At least be consistent in your views. If you believe that demolishing homes is the correct method of punishing suspects then you should also campaign for a similar punishment to be introduced in America. These are 'suspects' remember, not convicted criminals. Are you suggesting that people arrested on suspicion should have their houses demolished in the US as well?
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From the news I read, these were not suspects. These were the guys that were known to the military to have attacked and freed the Al-Qaeda. If that is not the case then I would say it is heavy handed. But asking American court system rules to apply in Pakistan is absurd when even the supreme court of Pakistan is incapable of applying such rules to the cases before it. See how Cowasjee has been pleading in his columns for the Supereme Court to pick up the case brought to it by NaseerUllha Babar. They cannot afford to touch it!
First of all, no homes belonging to innocent people were destroyed... Those that were, contained TERRORISTS that have not only been involved in GLOBAL terrorism, but have also been involved in trouble making in Pakistan. Since these people providing a shelter to the terrorists were keen on taking the law in their own hands, this was a necessary means...
btw, this posts lacks the usual line...
'the khalifah will make sure that the terrorists will be well protected, and will be rewarded for every pakistani soldier they kill' LOL
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First of all, no homes belonging to innocent people were destroyed...
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How do you know that? You are innocent until proven guilty in the civilized world.
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Those that were, contained TERRORISTS that have not only been involved in GLOBAL terrorism, but have also been involved in trouble making in Pakistan. Since these people providing a shelter to the terrorists were keen on taking the law in their own hands, this was a necessary means...
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Tell me what's the diff. between when suicide bomber blows up jews in Middle East, and Israel blows up bomber's house vs. what Pakistani govt. is doing now? Is this not collective punishment?
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First of all, no homes belonging to innocent people were destroyed... Those that were, contained TERRORISTS that have not only been involved in GLOBAL terrorism, but have also been involved in trouble making in Pakistan. Since these people providing a shelter to the terrorists were keen on taking the law in their own hands, this was a necessary means...
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Spock, if Pakistan wants to emulate civilised countries like the US, then it should also try to follow the example in law and treatment of it's own citizens as well. demolishing homes doesn't happen in these countries, especially of people who haven't been convicted of any crime (even if they probably are guilty). What if there's a mother with young children in that home? Are the police going to find her somewhere to stay?
Kangaroo court system was wrong in the Meerawala rape case and it's even more wrong when the authorities are indulging in it.
Yes the governament wants to emulate the west , but the people dont …they still believe in the rule of DANDA …so DANDA is what they will get …in my opoioin it is a very apt response from MUSharraf.
Janikhel Wazir is a typical village of Bannu region in the NWFP consisting mainly of a cluster of mud-huts whose inhabitants are near or distant relatives to each other.
Being a member of this tribe, I can vouch for the fact that no terrorist has ever lived here or maintained any connection with any terrorist group. However, thanks to the worldwide terrorism phenomenon, this tiny sleepy village has become the focus of national and international media.
The majority of Wazir Janikhel tribesmen are haplessly poor and backward. At present the village has been surrounded by the army and paramilitary forces. The whole tribe is in trouble because of wrong information fed to the authorities and ground is being prepared for using colonial-era tactics of collective punishment.
An example of such a collective punishment can be found in the Middle East region where Israeli forces have been unleashing a reign of terror against the unarmed Palestinians. Israel and the United States have been following the same agenda there.
A similar stage has been set in Janikhel because our government has already agreed to work on the American agenda.
With the help of the US finance and arms, Pakistani forces have besieged the village housing the tribesmen who take much pride in calling themselves Pakistanis.
these people who claim to be muslim on this forum are unbelivable they actually support blowing up of homes of people how sick in the mind can you get!
How do you know that? You are innocent until proven guilty in the civilized world.
Tell me what's the diff. between when suicide bomber blows up jews in Middle East, and Israel blows up bomber's house vs. what Pakistani govt. is doing now? Is this not collective punishment?
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How do you know they were innocent? Didnt 10 Pakistani solders get killed when they tried the more peaceful approach? If they are killing our men, and have a bunch of chechan fundos hiding in their home, we have to take action, we cant just set up a court outside their houses and wait for them to blow us up...
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First of all, no homes belonging to innocent people were destroyed
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Maybe you know something I don't, or you have first hand information coming out from FATA. That's the reason I asked how do you know that they were NOT innocent.
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Didnt 10 Pakistani solders get killed when they tried the more peaceful approach? If they are killing our men, and have a bunch of chechan fundos hiding in their home, we have to take action, we cant just set up a court outside their houses and wait for them to blow us up...
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Spock, we are paying for wrong policies that we have been following for years. These people we once funded and trained by our own ISI to fight from Kashmir to Afghanistan. These were Mujaideens, untill Uncle Sam said no they are not. Now they are terrorists. We deserve what's happening to us.
Also, we need to invest in FATA and other backward areas of country, educate people, give them hope and job opportunties, destroying their homes and making innocent homeless won't solve the problem.
Maybe you know something I don't, or you have first hand information coming out from FATA. That's the reason I asked how do you know that they were NOT innocent.
Spock, we are paying for wrong policies that we have been following for years. These people we once funded and trained by our own ISI to fight from Kashmir to Afghanistan. These were Mujaideens, untill Uncle said no they are not. Now they are terrorists. We deserve what's happening to us.
Also, we need to invest in FATA and other backward areas of country, educate people, give them hope and job opportunties, destroying their homes and making innocent homeless won't solve the problem.
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Uncle jee, I dont endorse Nawaz or Bibi's old policies... So in short, these terrorists got what they deserved, despite how they were treated by our political figures (whose actions, for some reason you are associating with me)... This is not wrong, when these jerks die, I reassures me that this govt will put an end to extremism...
Maybe you know something I don't, or you have first hand information coming out from FATA. That's the reason I asked how do you know that they were NOT innocent.
Spock, we are paying for wrong policies that we have been following for years. These people we once funded and trained by our own ISI to fight from Kashmir to Afghanistan. These were Mujaideens, untill Uncle Sam said no they are not. Now they are terrorists. We deserve what's happening to us.
Also, we need to invest in FATA and other backward areas of country, educate people, give them hope and job opportunties, destroying their homes and making innocent homeless won't solve the problem.
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Shamraz what you say is correct. The only difference is that it was not Uncle Sam who told us to continue the policy they had started to fight the USSR. Uncle Sam left, and Pakistan continued to use the "wepon" of jihadis to implement its policies in Afghanistan and in Kashmir. And we did not know how to control it fully. Some of them started dreaming of Global jihad! We were in Bosnia, Chechney, Philapines, Indonesia, Ceylon, you name it and Pakistani jidahi were in the vanguard. The Uturn of Musharaff happened too fast to bring the committed on the ground along. They are pissed and angry. So yes in a way, it is our own fault.
