judge not lest ye be judged

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from mathew 7:1 of the bible

and i’m pretty sure every religion has something similar even in islam:

One of the issues that we must bring to the fore is the fact that the Quran forbids us from judging others. This has been expressed clearly in many verses.
Quran 88:25: For behold, unto Us will be their return,
Quran 88:26: Then it will be for (only) Us to call them to account.

is that correct but then why do we humans judge each other so much and whether someone is sinning or swerving off the right path?

ps:i’m in a rush so if this has been discussed let me know the thread and delete this one. thanks mod ji

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Aye but the Koran and Sunnah makes the ruling on some cases we as Mulsims merely follow it's rules.

We are not the judges when Koran specifies that something is a sin or should be punished... I am all for skipping the judgement of people and leaving it to God but Allah wills it in his teachings through the same book...

thus we are merely following orders not judging ultimate judge is Allah.

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good luck trying to find coherence in scripture. if it were that easy, we wouldn't have experts and scholars..

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Scholars or no scholars scipture is open to all to read, sure scholars can make thier own interpretations, but some things dont need interpreting... orders are orders.

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In my humble opinion, crimes are punishable by humans in authority e.g., a state but sins that are not crimes is a matter between Allah and that person.
for instance, theft, murder (sins and crimes as well) etc. are to be judged and punished by the state but associating partners with Allah (shirk), knowingly rejecting the message of Allah etc. are sins but not to be judged and punished by the human state.

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Peace Nisha25!

To understand better, we should read the entire surah instead picking up one or many verses. This Surah is a late Surah of the early Meccan period. Its subject-matter is the contrast betwen the destinies of the Good and the Evil, the Hereafter, - on the Day when the true balance will be restored; the Signs of God even in this life should remind us of the Day of Account, for God is good and just, and His creation is for a just purpose.

In same surah, in case men neglect the hereafer as of no account, they are asked to contemplate four things, which they can see in everyday life, and which are full of meaning, high design and the goodness of God to men. The first mentioned is the domestical animal (camel). Second thing they should consider is the noble blue vault high above them (sky). In the third instance is Mountains and the fourth and last instance given is that of the Earth as whole, the habitation of mankind in our present phase of life. The Earth is a globe, and yet how marvellously it seems to be spread out before us in plains, valeys, hills, desets seas, etc. Can man, seeing these things, fail to see a Plan and Prupose in his life, or fail to turn to teh great Creature before Whom he will have to given an account after this life is done?

The Prophet of God is sent to teach and direct people on the way. He is not sent to force their will, or to punish them, except in so far as he may receive authority to do so. Punishment belongs to God alone. And Punishment is certain in the Hereafter, when true values will be restored.

P.S. i'm also in learning age, if i'm wrong here plz correct me.

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Peace Nisha25

This Surah is about giving advice and warning, not to control or force and knowing that the afterlife will be when Allah (SWT) calls all to account. Read the very verses you have given. In the afterlife is when ONLY Allah judges and sentences the people. The forbidding is not about judging people per se, but about sentencing the blasphemers.

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OP- cannot DISAGREE with you more

(104. Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma`ruf (all that Islam orders) and forbidding Al-Munkar (all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful.) (105. And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.)

Imam Ahmad recorded that Hudhayfah bin Al-Yaman said that the Prophet said,

[FONT=Traditional Arabic]«وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِه، لَتَأْمُرُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ، وَلَتَنْهَوُنَّ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ، أَوْ لَيُوشِكَنَّ اللهُ أَنْ يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عِقَابًا مِنْ عِنْدِهِ، ثُمَّ لتَدْعُنَّــهُ فَلَا يَسْتَجِيبَ لَكُم»
(By He in Whose Hand is my soul! You will enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, or Allah shall send down a punishment from Him to you. Then, you will supplicate to Him, but He will not accept your supplication.)

The objective of this Ayah is that there should be a segment of this Muslim Ummah fulfilling this task, even though it is also an obligation on every member of this Ummah, each according to his ability. Muslim recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

[FONT=Traditional Arabic]«مَنْ رَأَى مِنْكُمْ مُنْكَرًا فَلْيُغَيِّرْهُ بِيَدِهِ، فَإِنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ فَبِلِسَانِهِ، فَإِنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِع فَبِقَلْبِهِ، وَذلِكَ أَضْعَفُ الْإِيمَان»
(Whoever among you witnesses an evil, let him change it with his hand. If he is unable, then let him change it with his tongue. If he is unable, then let him change it with his heart, and this is the weakest faith.)

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I think you dont want to be judged by others so the likes of you can openly violate the Sunnah and get away with it without any reprimand, if this happens then surely there is no point in living such a BAIGHAIRAT society.You think Umar r.a was wrong when he used to wander the streets of medina with his whip in his hand ?

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I think you dont want to be judged by others so the likes of you can openly violate the Sunnah and get away with it without any reprimand, if this happens then surely there is no point in living such a BAIGHAIRAT society.You think Umar r.a was wrong when he used to wander the streets of medina with his whip in his hand ?

it’s not what i do or don’t want but i’m trying to get the clarification of what it’s really trying to say and unfortunately i always get varying interpretations depending on the person when it concerns any religion.

some people say that no other person has a right to judge another, the holy books are there for all to read, take your interpretations of them and leave it to Allah/God to make the final call. it’s when humans take matters into their own hands and act like God’s special people that the trouble starts and we start harassing and demonizing another human being.

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Scholars or no scholars scipture is open to all to read, sure scholars can make thier own interpretations, but some things dont need interpreting… orders are orders.

the value of human life diminishes when they sin? i was talking to a hindu and he was very knowledge on hinduism, he learned everything he knew from a guru for years. i personally didn’t like the way he talked about gays in a negative way and how he used lines from the vedas to support his views. It turned me off to some aspects of hinduism too to some extent, don’t know whose interpretations to go by and these are all people have studied their religions for years.

the 'judge not lest ye be judged" is also something that’s been misinterpreted by some learned christians, some see it as humans shouldn’t judge each other and should just leave it to God but then others say that it’s taken out of context and means something completely different. feel like there are too many contradictions. if only there were a couple christianity experts here

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Peace Nisha25

This Surah is about giving advice and warning, not to control or force and knowing that the afterlife will be when Allah (SWT) calls all to account. Read the very verses you have given. In the afterlife is when ONLY Allah judges and sentences the people. The forbidding is not about judging people per se, but about sentencing the blasphemers.

ok so only Allah judges and sentences the people. why are humans on earth allowed to sentence the blasphemers through sharia laws though?

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There were not as many interpretions of religion back in the days of the Muslim caliph. Now a days caliph will have to go on a whipping frenzy one would imagine!

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Peace again Nisha25

It appears you are seeing things for your own convenience in my reply. This Surah is not telling us that "humans should not exercise a penal system", rather it states that:

1) We should not force people who have rejected faith to accept it
2) That Allah (SWT) will deal with them

Blasphemy is quite different from holding blasphemous beliefs. When open blasphemy is being done then it is fassad and a fitnah. It is the act of spreading kufr. As for those who merely turn away they are left to do so - by us humans as long as they are not doing blasphemy openly.

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[Shakir 50:45] We know best what they say, and you are not one to compel them; therefore remind him by means of the Quran who fears My threat.

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true to a certain extent, but in those times there was no formalization of faith into fiqahs either
i.e Umar r.a didnt need to quote a hadith from Bukhari to prove his point

But thats not the issue under discussion, what the OP did was to clearly attack " Amr bil maroof and nahi anil munkar"

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Nisha, being judgemental is one thing but needing to judge in order to maintain law and order is another.

Coming to religion, I think we make judgements everyday on people who aren’t even related to us and always consider ourselves better than others when truly, only God knows who is what. I guess it’s a human trait something we all have to try and overcome.

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ok so only Allah judges and sentences the people. why are humans on earth allowed to sentence the blasphemers through sharia laws though?

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Peace Nisha!

I will quote a hadith to enlighten more clearly the purpose of verses mentioned above.

Sahih Bukhari Book 'Witnesses' Hadit No. 809

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: People were (sometimes) judged by the revealing of a Divine Inspiration during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle but now there is no longer any more (new revelation). Now we judge you by the deeds you practice publicly, so we will trust and favor the one who does good deeds in front of us, and we will not call him to account about what he is really doing in secret, for Allah will judge him for that; but we will not trust or believe the one who presents to us with an evil deed even if he claims that his intentions were good.