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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
He could face a prison sentence for his "immoral actions violating Arab and Islamic values", Jordanian police were quoted as saying.
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That is kind of harsh. I know what he did was stupid, but sending him to prison is too much. They should have beat the crap out of him for couple of days and let him go. That's instant punishment and quite effective.
That is kind of harsh. I know what he did was stupid, but sending him to prison is too much. They should have beat the crap out of him for couple of days and let him go. That's instant punishment and quite effective.
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Yeah, but then the police would get blamed for brutality. By sending him to prison, they are giving the other prisoners the opportunity to beat him up instead :)
That is kind of harsh. I know what he did was stupid, but sending him to prison is too much. They should have beat the crap out of him for couple of days and let him go. That's instant punishment and quite effective.
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So let me get this straight. Police brutality is fine. But going to prison is not. How can you make such a moral assertion? Personally believe allowing an authority figure the right to abuse and physically harm an individual who played a harmless joke is beyond what many would describe as justice or fair.
that joke was not harmless as it infringed upon other individuals' rights. those women did not want to be with a man during the party, so it infringed upon their rights to have a party of their own choosing.
jail would be little too much, just giving him couple of slaps (not on the face though, it is not allowed in islamic laws to slap any one on the face) and letting him go would be ok. but it is up to the judge because this issue falls under tazir and has no hadd on it.
and you say police brutality? dude we are just calling for a little lesson, nothing like the king guy who had all his bones cracked by poilce.
It was harmless with regard to the fact that no individual was physically hurt except for the male in this case. This actually brings to a deeper question, that of male and female segregation. I personally see no harm in the individual sneaking into an all female party. We used to do that in my college years. Sneaking into the female dorms was the norm and expected.
As for the infringement of individual rights, I would like to know if any of those women actually wanted to have an all woman party or was it done because they have been brought up thinking it is the right thing. It is custom to have segregated weddings. I am not so sure it is a choice or a right.
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*Originally posted by Sir Galahad: *
It was harmless with regard to the fact that no individual was physically hurt except for the male in this case. This actually brings to a deeper question, that of male and female segregation. I personally see no harm in the individual sneaking into an all female party. We used to do that in my college years. Sneaking into the female dorms was the norm and expected.
As for the infringement of individual rights, I would like to know if any of those women actually wanted to have an all woman party or was it done because they have been brought up thinking it is the right thing. It is custom to have segregated weddings. I am not so sure it is a choice or a right.
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typical western arrogrance...you just seem to have so hard time realizing that there could be a another set of values and traditions other than western ones. just because it is "expected" of western youths to have million sex partners and enter into women dorms, it doesnt mean its the norm in all socities. and how do you define "choice"? you seem to suggest that if some one is grown in some society and just learns its values and adapts it, he/she doesnt have a "choice" but just following what its told. well we can just turn it around and say that westerners have been raised in a society that abhors child molestation, and they actually dont do it just because of the fear of society otherwise deep down in their heart they really wanna do it. lets see how you will reject this notion when it is applied on western society.
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*Originally posted by Sir Galahad: *
So let me get this straight. Police brutality is fine. But going to prison is not. How can you make such a moral assertion? Personally believe allowing an authority figure the right to abuse and physically harm an individual who played a harmless joke is beyond what many would describe as justice or fair.
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Who says it’s a brutality, it’s a punishment like I already said in my original post. I am not talking about breaking his arms and legs. Why we have to judge everything from a western point of view. No wonder all the jails in America are full because for every little thing you guys send a criminal to jail. If you remember Islamic history, (if you are Muslim, because I know there are few non-Muslims are also lurking on this board) that’s the way Khulafaey Rashdain use to Punish people for crimes. They did not have jails full of people in those days. Even for Zina (Adultery) in some cases the punishment was 100 lashes (Qur’aan - Chapter 24 verse 2).
It will be in the favor of that guy to give him some ass whooping instead of sending him to jail on tax payers money where he will be gang raped every day just because he went to ladies only party disguised. You tell me which is better?
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
^ actually men and women being together is a universal value not a western one. Are you saying your values are not universal?
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Universal value is M*an and woma*n being together under the sanctity of marriage. Not men and women, in a pervert way the west perceives.
