Jizya tax - What was the logic?

Re: Jizya tax - What was the logic?

Peace sharaabee

Fluffmaster? It seems here the irreligious one has started a personal argument with the one who stands by his faith. Now this is exactly how it translates on a scaled up version. Note it was you who started this mud slinging ... And I shall end it by the teachings from my religion ... Where it tells me to deal with you in a better way that you have dealt with me ...

May you be guided and me too ... Peace (that is an intended statement) unfortunately it is others who don't want to make peace and blame my beautiful religion for their own intolerances.

And you see I did as you asked ... Not a long circular post ...

Re: Jizya tax - What was the logic?

Under the kalifah, especially if it was a sahabee, why would there need to be consensus of religious scholars?

Re: Jizya tax - What was the logic?

Quran does not divide people, it unites. Here is verse by verse interpretation of some the verses of the 2nd surah al baqarah.

Surah 2 AL BAQARAH= The Conflicts and the Resolutions

Proclaim, in the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful.

1) ALIF LAAM MEEM.

2) This is no doubt the manifesto and constitution of Allah in which is guidance for those who want to live in peace.

3) People who would commit to working for peace and prosperity in the land for their better future by establishing the supportive network in order to open up for all the ways and means of sustenance We have already provided for them.

4) So those who commit to working for peace according to that which is revealed to you and according to that which was revealed before you they are sure about the promised outcome of their actions.

5) Such are the ones who are on clear guidance from their Lord and these are the ones who will attain peace and prosperity due to being free from inflicting harm and destruction upon each other.

6)As for those in the land who commit themselves to inflicting harm and destruction on mankind, it is same for them that you warn them about the destructive results of their thoughts and actions or you warn them not they will not commit to working for peace and prosperity of mankind.

7) Allah finds their arrogance covering up their ability to think about peace and their ability of responding to call for peace as well as their ability to see the need for peace therefore they will end up in great suffering in due course as a result of their own actions.

8) Among the mankind there are people who claim, we are committed to working for peace and prosperity according to constitution of Allah for the good end result for the mankind but in actual fact they are not committed to working for peace and prosperity at all as is obvious from the results of their own actions.

9) They just make attempts at deceiving masses regarding constitution of Allah as well as those who are really committed to working for peace, though in actual fact they deceive none but themselves and their own people but due to their ignorance or arrogance they realise or admit it not.

10) In their minds is destructive ambition to be masters of each other and Allah finds their this desire increasing rivalry between them therefore the result of their actions is grievous suffering because they deny to each other benefits of working according to the divine constitution.

11) When it is said to them, do not cause wars and destruction in the land they say, surely we are only trying to create peace and prosperity.

12) Not at all rather they are the creators of wars and poverty for sure as is evident from the result of their actions yet they admit it not.

13) When it is said to them, give up harmful and destructive ambitions for exploiting humanity and commit to working for peace and prosperity like other people who are committed to working for peace and prosperity of mankind they say, shall we commit to working for peace and prosperity like the foolish. Of course, it is they who are foolish not realising the benefits of living according to the divine constitution because they are not really bother to learn about it.

14) Yet when they meet those who are committed to working for peace they tell them, we too are committed to working for peace but when they are in private with their fellow conspirators against those who are committed to working for peace they tell them, we are indeed with you, we were surely pretending to be with those who claim to be committed to working for peace.

15) Surely in time Allah will expose their deceptions by results of their own actions and let them wander in their confusion like the ones blind or lost in darkness .

16) These are people who have chosen to live in a harmful way instead of living according to divine constitution so their choice is not going to benefit them because they have denied divine guidance to themselves.

17) The likeness of their ability to choose and Our provision of guidance for them is like that of a person who lights up a fire to help a people see the right path yet when it lightens up all around it, they go their own way, in similar way Allah finds these people going their own way by their own insight ignoring the Quran, this is how He lets them remain in the darkness because they ignore the right path.

18) They act like deaf, dumb and blind due to ignorance or arrogance that is how they refuse to turn to guidance.

19) Or the likeness of behaviour of some of them to Our guidance is like that of a people to a huge rainstorm from the sky with periods of darkness, thunder and lightning. They press their fingers in their ears due to thunderclap for fear of death yet pay no attention to laws of Allah that are in action all around the opposers of His constitution.

20) The lightning almost snatches away their sight of them. As often as it flashes for them they walk due to it but when it darkens for them they stand still. Had Allah meant to make them deaf and blind, He could have taken away their sense of hearing and their sense of sight. Indeed! Allah has set up laws for all things to work accordingly including mankind.

21) So O you the people, live according to the constitution of your lord who has furnished you with ability of good conduct towards each other like those who followed guidance before you so that you could become free of harmful and destructive ways of existence.

22 ) Who brought about for you the earth like a floor and the heaven like a canopy and sent down from the heaven water as rain whereby He brought forth fruits for your sustenance, therefore take not for yourselves rulers other than Allah when it has been made obvious to you.

23) Yet if you are in any kind of doubt or suspicion concerning this constitution for peace We have revealed for the mankind through Our messenger then bring a constitution as good as this yourselves if you can. If you on your own cannot then invite all your supporters against Allah to help you do this and see if your doubting it can really prove true by producing an alternative to it.

24) However if you cannot do this and surely you cannot then think about the result of fire of hatred you are creating between mankind which is fuelled by some people through denying access to provisions for others, it is ignited and fuelled by those who deny the benefits of the constitution of Allah for others.

25) Nonetheless despite their opposition deliver the good news for those who would commit to working for peace and act to remove obstacles in the way of peace between mankind that there await for them the blissful kingdoms throughout which rivers will flow of all that they would need and desire. Every time they will participate in those kingdoms, they will receive the full fruits of their hard works therefrom. They will say to each other, this is how people like us received full results of their hard works before us, for they will be given results of their hard work just like them. Moreover they will have therein peace and prosperity and loving people as companions who would be free from domineering mindset whereby people end up inflicting harm and destruction upon each other. Such like will be the people who will end up in such like kingdoms.

26) Surely Allah does not raise a people to such dignified life to be an example for others the likes of a mass pile of a people that is mentally dead, weak and mean but a nation that is far above that, so that those who commit to working for peace and prosperity know for sure that it is the proper example from their lord, yet as for those who ignore and oppose Our guidance say, what did Allah mean to convey by way of this like example? Thereby He lets many remain stray due to their idle mindset and thereby he guides many due to their progressive attitude, however He lets stray thereby only such as have adverse mindset towards His constitution and destructive attitude towards mankind.

27) Those who seek to harm and destroy mankind conspire to move mankind away from the constitution of Allah even after agreeing to it, thereby they seek discord in mankind regarding which Allah has commanded unity that is how they cause fights and wars in the land. These are the ones who cause harm and destruction to their own communities as well as others.

28) So O mankind, how can you reject or oppose dignified life giving constitution of Allah on account of some conspirators because you were a people stuck in the rut and He brought you out thereby? Moreover He found you locked in deadly conflicts and brought you out of that because you turned to His set goal so keep following it.

29) He it is who created everything for you all in the earth so that you work together and further more He perfected everything throughout the universe including the numerous bodies in space whereby He demonstrated His knowledge about everything so His constitution is really worth following.

30) Moreover call to mind the time when your Lord informed the chiefs in the land that I am going to raise in the land an administrator. They said, are You going to contain thereby such a people as create fights and wars causing bloodshed even though we strive hard to establish Your rule in the land in order to remove all ills from between us through Your rule? He said, I will make evident in due course that which is not yet obvious to you.

31) For that reason Allah made evident to Adam the names of all the tasks related to departments of the administration and their related full detail and then He put them before the chiefs and said, tell me the names of all the tasks related to departments of administration as to what they are all about if you are truly capable of carrying them out.

32) They said, free of all problems is Your rule and we have no knowledge beyond that which You have granted us, indeed You make things obvious wisely.

33) He said, O Adam, inform them about the names of their tasks related to the departments of the administration. After he had taught them the names of their tasks related to the departments of the administration Allah said, did I not inform you that I make evident secrets of the heavens and the earth? That is how I will make obvious through your actions all that you reveal and all that you conceal.

34) That is why we said to the chiefs, accept for Adam position of chief administrator and they all accepted that save Iblees, he instead rebelled because he was of those who reject and oppose rule of Allah.

35) Therefore we said, O Adam, dwell you and your people in the blissful kingdom and participate therein as you desire but do not get involved in disputes and fights because you will become one of those who breach divine constitution.

36) But Iblees conspired against Adam and his people and brought them out of blissful state of existence in which they were. For this reason we said, live as you wish with animosity in some of you for others or friendship and face the consequences, in the earth for all of you is a dwelling place with livelihood for a set time.

37) At length Adam realised some guidelines from his Lord so he turned to His guidance, indeed He is the one Who guides again and again.

38) That is how We said, live therein all of you together in peace as and when there comes to your mind the need for guidance from Me because any people who follow My guidance for such will be neither anxiety nor suffering through regrets.

39) And those who will reject and oppose Our set tasks such people will end up in fire of hatred against each other and in that state they will remain for as long as they live in that state of mind.

40) O children of Israel realise my blessing that I bestowed upon you so fulfil your obligation to Me so that I fulfil my promise to you and conspire not against My advice.

41) So commit to working for peace by supporting that which I have revealed that confirms that which is with you already and be not at the front of rejecters and opposers of it and trade not thereby My guidelines for petty gains instead be mindful of Me and be consistent with mankind.

42)And confuse not that which is right and consistent for the good of mankind with that which is wrong and inconsistent and harmful for mankind nor cover up that which is proper when you are made aware of it.

43) Instead help establish the supporting network thereby and attain freedom from all ills in human society by working with those who move towards installing the divine world order.

44) Do you tell people of other nations to let you be free yet you do not care about your own people the while you claim to follow the divine constitution? Should you not be rather more intelligent than that?

45) Therefore seek support of each other with steadfastness for the community supportive network. It is indeed a huge task to accomplish but not impossible to do for those who are confident about its benefits.

46) Such as entertain the thought that they must meet the requirement of their Lord and that they must turn to His set goal.

47) O children of Israel, think about My blessing in form of constitution that I bestowed upon you whereby I appointed you to be an example to the nations of the world.

48) So guard against the time when one party does not benefit the other in the least and no excuse/plea is accepted of it by any other nor any compensation suffices for it therefore such people are not helped by anyone.

49)And don’t forget We delivered you from the atrocities of people of Pharaoh! They set you against each other to make you suffer, destroying your influential people by setting them up against your own masses thereby prolonged your deterioration and painful suffering. Getting out of that situation for you was a momentous task set by Your magnificent Lord.

50) That is how We cut out for you the road map whereby We delivered you but We let people of pharaoh destroy themselves due to going their own way and you the people saw all this happening at the time right before your very eyes.

51) And remember when We set Moses with task for your regeneration and new beginning after your deterioration in captivity yet some of you took over the reign of power due to your harmful and destructive ambitions and desires in his absence and that is how you the nation rebelled against the divine program at that time.

52) yet We helped you overcome the harmful result of your that wrong doing after that so that you uplift yourselves

53) And that was the reason We gave Moses the constitution as the criterion to go by so that you become an example of properly guided people for others to see and follow.

54) And at the time Moses did say to his people, O my people, you have indeed harmed yourselves by inflicting harm and destruction on each other by taking on the position of responsibility of making laws by yourselves independent of divine guidance, so turn to your maker's guidance and kill the selfishness and greed in yourselves and correct yourselves accordingly. That is better for you in the sight of your maker so that He turns to you for guiding you through His revelation. He is indeed the one merciful who turns to people to guide them again and again.

55) All this happened because remember you yourselves said, O Moses, we cannot commit to working for peace with you unless we can see Allah telling us clearly what He wants from us because at the time you were in full grip of the darkness of ignorance but you realised.

56) therefore We revived you as a nation after you were suppressed so that you radiate appreciation to give hope to others.

57) It is because We found you being crushed by terrible problems so We provided for you solutions as shelter and gave you encouragement to cooperate with each other working hard for producing and distributing the good things We have provided for your use. Surely your ancestors did no harm to us but they did indeed harm their own people when they became slack in following Our guidance and lost sense of caring and sharing and instead ended up inflicting harm and destruction on each other.

58) Even though We told them at the time, enter this land of plenty and partake therein freely as you desire but take this new opportunity with full submission to Our constitution for creating a caring and sharing community by committing to progress and prosperity so that you are saved from your mistakes like that of the past and so that you could recover from the loss of those mistakes that is how We bless with more those who do what is good for themselves and others.

59) However they changed for worse, advocating opposite of what they were told so We let happen to them the harm as per set universal laws because of their infighting and inflicting harm on each other.

60) That was their situation when Moses sought to satisfy the need/thirst of knowledge of his people, We said, use your divine revelation as the solid foundation for this purpose. Thus sprung forth thereby an exemplary human society because each of its people became aware of their goals and guidelines. We said to them, keep learning and benefiting from what Allah has granted you and help others do the same and be not arrogant nor cause wars in the land.

61) And remember always and never repeat the time when you showed rebellion against Our guidance and said to Moses, O Moses, we are not prepared to participate with you according to the constitution for living as a united single community so tell your Lord if He wants our participation then He should bring us a constitution whereby He allows us hoarding whatever crop this land produces and hoarding of its wealth and taking its people as slaves or servants and depriving its inhabitants of fruits of their labour. He said, will you exchange worse way of living for the better? Go live the way you ask for and find out the consequences for yourselves and that is how they ended up in state of humiliation and misery by going away from the blessing of Allah. All this happened to them because they rejected and opposed the goals and guidelines of Allah and because they campaigned against the prophets without any proper justification whatsoever. All this happened to them because they rebelled against divine constitution and went on inflicting harm on each other.

62) Surely those who commit to working for peace be they those who claim to be guided by divine constitution (Jews), those who claim to be helpers of divine cause (Christians), those who claim to be working for change for the better in the world (Sabians) or for that matter any other people who strives for peace according to constitution of Allah for the better end result for mankind and take action to remove obstacles in the way of people to peace will have their due reward with their Lord. As a result of their such actions they will not suffer anxiety nor regret their such actions.

63) And call to mind the time when We held you accountable according to your constitution and We placed upon you a strict progressive program for your prosperity. Saying, hold fast on to what you are given and strive hard according to what is in it so that you could become consistent and interconnected with each other.

64) Yet again you went back to your old ways after that and had it not been for the guidance of Allah that He blessed you with, you would have indeed suffered the loss and harm to such degree that could never recover.

65) But you became alert about those of you who transgressed against divine constitution and created divisions in the community, so We guided you as you wanted and let them live as they wanted in ignorance like apes.

66) And We pointed them out as an example of harmful and destructive existence for their own time as well as for those who were to come after them and We also made them a lesson for those who would keep themselves consistent with rule of Allah for the good of humanity.

67) That is why at the time Moses said to his people, Allah commands you to end this holy cow of your self-created separation between rule of Allah and rule of man in form of ruling elites and priestly classes and traders for profits that has led you to this state in which you are. They said, are you just having a go at us or have you a plan? He said, of course I should be able to protect us all through rule of Allah according to His constitution unless I too do things like the ignorant ones.

68) They said, then consult the constitution of your Lord on our behalf to make it clear for us as to what is in it about our this separation of affairs? He said, it says, it is such a kind of separation that is neither necessary nor good for new beginning instead it is just an obstacle in the way of set goal and its achievement, so do as you are told so that you make progress to where you ought to be.

69) They said, consult further the constitution of your lord on our behalf to make plain for us what exactly is wrong with this separation. He said, it says, this separation is void of any good outcome though it looks attractive to those who are involved in it.

70) They said, consult the constitution of your lord yet further on our behalf seeking further clarification for us about this separation even though need for this separation has already become doubtful for us indeed and we are sure that we will be guided alright because this constitution of Allah is a program for our success.

71) He said, it says, it is such a splitting of powers that has no goodness for mankind instead it motivates people to cause fights in the land because it does not satisfy their due needs and desires for things, so it is confirmingly clear that there is no real benefit in it for people. They said now you have brought us the complete thing. That is how they finally gave it up though they appeared unwilling to do so.

72) And remember when you lost sense of being a single nation and fell in dispute about it and Allah wanted to rid you of that sectarian divide which you wanted to hold on to.

73) That is why we said, teach to any nation that disputes and divides into factions with some part of that storey, that is how Allah brings to life the dead nations that end up weak due to their sectarianism, so that He shows you His revelations in action so that you may become a sensible people.

74) Thereafter your minds turned yet again from that very revealed constitution to make beliefs as if they were land markings or even more important. For sure they are not the kind of guidelines due to which burst forth rivers of knowledge, nor are they such due to which bursts forth prosperity. Rather due to them they remain aloof from serving constitution of Allah and Allah is not unaware of any of that which you do.

75) Do you the people committed to working for peace still hope that these people who claim to follow the divine constitution will commit to working for peace along with you when some of them have already heard the message of Allah yet let it be perverted despite being intelligent and having ability to understand it?

76) When they meet those who claim to be committed to working for peace they say, we too are committed to working for peace but when they meet each other in private they say to each other, why do you disclose to them what Allah has revealed to you, is it for the reason that they could argue with you using it as evidence against you about the revelation of your Lord? Why don’t you think before you do that?

77) But why don’t they realise that Allah makes evident in due course through their actions all that they conceal and all that they reveal?

78) Among them there are uneducated people who do not even know their divine constitution for themselves instead they follow whatever they are told by their religious leaders so they follow nothing but their make beliefs.

79) And how harmful and destructive of those who write make belief interpretations of their divine constitution with their own hands and then say to the uneducated, this is from Allah so that they may sell it for a petty price! How harmful and destructive is that for them as a nation which their hands have written and how damaging and destructive is that for them as a community what they have earned thereby.

80) Yet they say, the pain and suffering due to fire of hatred between themselves as a people shall not last for more than a limited number of days. Ask them, have you obtained such an assurance from Allah which He would not let fail or do you attribute to Allah what you know not?

81) Of course! Any people who commit to working against the divine constitution thereby become encircled by harmful things such are the ones who end up in fire of hatred of their own creation wherein they remain unless they change.

82) But as for those who commit to working for peace and take actions to remove obstacles in the way of mankind to peace, they are the ones who end up in blissful life and therein they remain unless they change.

83) And call to mind the time when We bound children of Israel through an agreement to Our constitution saying, promise that you will never live by rule of any other than Allah because that is the only way you can be good to your parents and relatives as well as destitute and lonely individuals and speak to the people in a way that benefits them because that is what establishing Our rule means whereby you can attain freedom from all ills in your human community. But you broke the agreement save a few of you so you paid no heed to Our advice.

84) And remember another obligation We bound you with that you shed no blood among yourselves and you expel not your own people from your homes and you agreed to that and you are witness to it even today.

85) Yet you killed your own people, expelled a group from among you from their homes, backed each other up on doing things against Our constitution by way of aggression against each other and if they came to you as captives then you traded them for ransoms whereas their expulsion was unlawful for you to begin with. Are you a nation of such people that follows only a part of your holy constitution and rejects the rest? So what other consequences do such people from among you who behave like this deserve other than disgraceful life in this world through internal disputes and divisions leading to a day of uprising whereby they are handed over to yet more painful suffering due to result of your own actions because Allah is not unaware of all that you do?

86) Such are the people who trade the life of this world at the expense of hereafter, so their self inflicted painful suffering will neither be lightened nor will they be helped unless they reform.

87) To educate you people out of your stupidity We gave Moses the constitution and sent after him other messengers one after the other and We set out for Jesus son of Mary clear objectives to achieve therefore We helped him with the whole program. Yet is it not the case that each time there came to you a messenger with a message that suited not your harmful and destructive ambitions and desires that you turned more arrogant and transgressed even more and due to that your chiefs denied some of them their rights the while against others you fought as well?

88) Yet all they say in their defence is, we were overwhelmed with problems as a nation at the time. No that is not the right excuse rather the fact is they went away from the blessed constitution of Allah and most of them ended up opposing it and only a small minority of them committed itself to working for peace.

89) However now there has come to them again this another constitution from Allah confirming the very constitution they already have – and before coming of this messenger they used to seek decisive action against those who fought against the constitution of Allah giving them another opportunity to prove themselves - yet when there came to them like of that with which they were already familiar, they opposed it without even becoming familiar with it, therefore such people stay away from blessings of Allah those who oppose installation of His rule through His constitution.

90) Ridiculous is the reward for the program they have sold to their own people to follow instead of Our program because of their ignorance and arrogance based opposition to that which Allah has revealed merely because of their prejudicial mindset and attitude that Allah should reveal His program to whomever He pleases from amongst His human creatures. That is how they brought upon their own people suffering upon suffering because for such as oppose program of Allah there is always ending up in disgraceful suffering unless they accept and follow it faithfully.

91) That is why when they are invited to commit to working for peace using that which Allah has revealed now with proper understanding of it they reply, we will strive for peace only using what Allah has revealed to us as we understand it and we oppose whatever we take to be against that. But the fact is the currently revealed truth confirms what they have if they interpreted it properly but they bother not. In that case ask them, if you have interpreted the divine truth properly and you are sincerely committed to striving for peace on that basis then why do you not join us and why did you fight against the prophets of Allah before who came from among yourselves?

92) For example, Moses came to you with clearly set out objectives for you to achieve yet you committed yourselves to your own harmful and destructive ambitions and desires after him that is how you ended up harming and destroying your own people.

93) And remind them also that We asked you the nation to enter an agreement with Us and charged you with responsibility by imposing upon you Our constitution saying, hold onto what We give you firmly and stick with this program faithfully. So let them also know what their response was, the chiefs and priests responded ignorantly and arrogantly to Our message saying, we hear the message but we disregard it. They did that because in their minds they were saturated with make belief harmful and destructive ambitions and desires due to their misinterpretation of Our guidance. Say, terrible is the standard whereby you rule and try to create peace if you are at all striving for peace.

94) Say, if ultimately the goal of prosperity is made achievable by Allah only for you people at the expense of all the other people in the world then get out of the harm and destruction that you are inflicting upon each other and thereby suffering as a nation if you are true in your claim!

95) But they will not be able to do that ever because of what they have done to their constitution from Allah unless they reform. For Allah knows the mindset and the attitude of those people who contravene His constitution.

96) You will find the chiefs and the priests among them the greediest and most selfish of all the people for the good things of life, even more greedier and selfish than the chiefs of those who rule by other than the constitution of Allah, each of them wishes to be given a life of a thousand years but even the grant of such a long life will save them not from the painful suffering they inflict even upon each other because Allah is watching all that they do and makes it evident for all to see in due course the results of their actions.

97) Say, regardless whichever people distance themselves from the solid authority of God just because He has revealed it to your mind instead of theirs as a constitution and a program of Allah for the good of mankind that confirms that which was revealed before it is no good reason for anyone to move away from it or oppose it because it is still a guidance from Allah for all therefore it is good news for those who would commit to working for peace among the mankind.

98) After all this explanation if any party still has animosity towards rule of Allah and His faithful administrators and His Messengers and the solid authority in form of constitution of God and His missionaries and supporters then Allah lets His blessing in form of prosperity remain distant from such people as oppose His program.

99) We have indeed revealed for all of you the mankind clear goals to achieve and none will oppose them save the ones who want to do things against Our constitution.

100) Has it not been the case that each time they were given the responsibility of the divine constitution to abide by, the chiefs and the priests of them pushed it aside because most of them were not at all committed to working for peace and prosperity of the mankind?

101) And whenever there came to them any messenger from Allah confirming the guidance they already had, a group of ruling elite from among those to whom the scripture was given cast off the constitution of Allah behind their backs as if they never heard of it.

102) That is how they came to follow what the rebel leadership against the kingdom of Solomon told them, not that Solomon opposed Our rule according to Our constitution but the rebel leadership with harmful and destructive ambitions and desires opposed it through teaching masses the falsehood as the divine teachings established by Solomon and this idea of conspiracy dawned upon two kinds of rebel leaderships in Babylon, the imperialist leadership and the priesthood leadership. However they did not disclose this falsehood in the name of Solomon to anyone without telling masses that they are their sole saviours from troubles surrounding the kingdom of Solomon so they must not oppose their teachings. This is how masses learned from both of the leaderships falsehood whereby they could sow the seeds of discord/ sectarianism between a person/ leadership/ party and its companion/ following/ community or nation. But the fact is they could not actually cause any harm because of their falsehood to any people unless they taught their falsehood as actual teaching of Allah and people were unaware of actual teachings of Allah. That is how they learned that which harmed them instead of learning that which could benefit them even though they were made aware that the learners of the falsehood in the name Allah instead of the actual teachings of Allah would have no trace left in them for proper conduct in the end. Surely they exchanged good teaching of Allah with the falsehood in the name of Allah and that is how they ruined their whole nation, if only they had educated themselves in time about it.

103) If they had kept themselves committed to working for peace and had been thoughtful and kept themselves away from going against the divine constitution, they would have had a better result from kingdom of Allah, if they had educated themselves in time about it!

104) O you who claim to be committed to working for peace in the world, you should not say to the prophet, exempt us from the mission instead you should say keep us in your sight for any missionary task and follow through faithfully what you are assigned as a duty to fulfil, remember always that there awaits painful suffering for those who oppose Our rule.

105) Those who oppose Our rule from among the people who are already given the constitution by Us and of those who live by rule of other than Allah never wish that prosperity should come your way from your Lord but Allah distinguishes with His program for blissful life whoever wants it through acting upon it because Allah is abundantly graceful to whole of mankind.

106) We do not exclude from Our program any people nor let any nation disappear into oblivion but We let a better nation replace it. Is it not obvious to you thereby that Allah has set the standard for all things to survive including human nations?

107) Is it not obvious to you thereby that to Allah alone belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and that you have no ruler other than Allah to protect you and help you?

108) So after all this explanation do you still want to give such a hard time to your messenger also as was given to Moses before by his people through discord? But the fact is any people who exchange path of peace through unity between themselves for path of war through divisions between themselves have indeed gone off the right track of peace and prosperity.

109) That is how many from among the people who were given the constitution before wish they could somehow turn you back to disunited warmongers after you have chosen working for peace through unity by envying your situation of unity with their own situation of divisions between themselves after the right way had been made quite clear to them. Let them remain so and be steadfast against their mischief until Allah brings about accomplishment of goal in form of His rule, rest assured that it is Allah alone who has set the standard for all things to exist and abide by.

110) So establish the community supportive network and thereby free from all ills the community and whatever hard work you put in implementing this program for the good of your people, you will find it approved by constitution of Allah, surely Allah is watching all that you do.

111) As for their claim that none can achieve blissful state unless one is Jewish or Christian. This is just their wishful thinking. Say, bring your proof if what you are claiming is to be accepted true.

112) In fact any community that submits itself fully to the goal set by Allah according to His constitution by doing good for each others will have its reward with Allah in form of being a united community due to such support for each other it will have nothing to be anxious about or to regret.

113) Like the Jewish priests who claim the Christians do not have the right goal to establish and like the Christians priests who claim the Jews do not have the right goal to establish despite the fact that both of them claim to follow their God given constitutions for it. Their accusations against each other are like the accusations of those who have no proof for what they accuse others about, however Allah will decide the matter before their very eyes on the day of uprising against them regarding all that whereby they cause discord and strife in the human community.

114) And who can inflict more damage on humanity than the party of a people that prevents establishment of institutions based upon constitution of Allah in the land lest His rule is established in them and that is why they strives to destroy them instead? It was not proper for these people to enter these institutions unless they were concerned for their proper functioning for the good of humanity. For such transgressors there is life full of anxiety in this world and life full of regrets in the hereafter.

115) Because they realise not that it is due to set laws of Allah that nations rise and fall so tell them, whichever way you decide to live, you are bound to face results of your actions, that is how Allah makes things abundantly obvious in due course.

116) Yet they claim, Allah has taken for Himself a son. Say, all that happens is result of His set laws because to Him alone belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth and everything is governed by His laws.

117) He alone is the originator of the heavens and the earth and whenever He decides upon a matter, He has only to express His will and it begins to take shape in reality.

118) Despite all the explanations those who do not learn wisdom still say, why Allah does not speak with us or send us the revelation directly? The same was asked by those before them because they all have similar frame of mind due to lack of knowledge. The fact is, We have indeed made evident Our revelations for people who would firmly base themselves on foundation of knowledge instead of ignorance or arrogance.

119) Indeed We have sent you the messenger with a set purpose to deliver to people program for their prosperity and to warn them against moving away from this program, so you will not be called to account for the course of action of those who reject and oppose Our constitution and end up in terrible agony.

120) And as for the leaderships of Jews and the Christians who follow their own harmful and destructive ambitions and desires instead of Our program they will never be happy with you unless you too support them in their harmful and destructive ambitions and desires. Tell them, it is guidance of Allah that alone proves to be the true guidance but if after all the knowledge that has come to you from Allah you still give in to their harmful and destructive ambitions and desires then there will be nothing to prevent you or help you from going against the way of Allah other than the terrible consequences of your such actions.

121) Those to whom We have given Our constitution and who understand it properly and proclaim it as it ought to be proclaimed they are the ones who are really committed to working for peace thereby but as to those who deny and oppose it they are for sure in loss.

122) O children of Israel, call to mind My blessing that I bestowed upon you in form of My revelations whereby I made you conversant in all the fields of knowledge.

123) So reject not My message or be mindful of the time to come when things will get so bad that one person will not do anything good for another even in the least, at that time no excuse will be accepted of anyone nor any excuse by anyone will benefit anyone because there will be none there willing to help anyone.

124) And for that purpose you can call to mind the time when Abraham was engaged by his Lord with some goals for development of himself and the nations around him and he fulfilled them. Allah said, I will point you out as the role model for the nations to come. Abraham said, what about my own descendents? Allah said, I will not hold out those as proper role models who will inflict harm and destruction upon the mankind against My set out goal as stated in My revealed constitution.

125) That is how We made Our constitution central for the security and sanctuary of the nations saying, take the standard set by Abraham as the primary example of the installation of Our constitution. Moreover We instructed Abraham and Ismail to keep Our constitution free of all make beliefs for those who would consult it again and again and for those who would carefully study it as well as for those who would model their lives upon it and for those who would submit to it to implement it.

126) And never forget the request of Abraham at the time saying, my Lord make this constitution the basis for peaceful existence for mankind and thereby provide those who abide by it good results for their hard works. He replied, even for those who oppose it I will provide whatever little they deserve of the good things though I will let them drag themselves to the fire of hatred and destruction and that is a terrible state of affairs to be in!

127) That is how at the time Abraham raised his community on the foundations of Our constitution along with Ismail saying, accept this service from us O Lord, surely You make abundantly obvious for people the proper way to live.

128) Our Lord, keep both of us engaged and committed to Your set out mission and raise from our children people who are committed to Your set out task thereby show us results of our hard works by granting us prosperity in return. Surely You are granter of the constitution that leads to prosperity.

129) Our Lord, raise from among them a messenger who enforces upon them for their prosperity Your set out tasks by teaching them Your book for implementing Your rule of law in order to free them from their self created problems, Your constitution is mighty indeed for a proper rule of law.

130) And who can move away from the community set up of Abraham save the foolish? That is why We chose him to be a model for the people of the world and to the end he proved by his course of actions that he was of those who mended rifts between people to lead them to peace and prosperity.

131) When his Lord said to him commit yourself for bringing peace to people, he replied, I commit to the mission set by the Lord of the nations.

132) This was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons and so did Jacob when he said, O my sons! Allah has already chosen for you the ruling system to live by therefore die not unless you are fully submitted to it.

133) Were you present when death approached Jacob? He asked his sons, who will you serve after me as your ruler? They replied, we will serve the same One God as our ruler Who is your God and God of your forefathers Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac and to His constitution alone we all will remain committed.

134) They were a people that have passed away. They reaped the fruits of what they did, and you will face the consequences for what you do. You will not be questioned about what they did.

135) The priests of Jews and Christians tell you the people following the Quran, be Jewish or Christian only then you will be on the path that is proper. Say, we rather follow the path of Abraham the one who refused to live by rule of any other than Allah.

136) Say, we have committed to working for peace according to Allah on the basis of that which is revealed to us and on the basis of that which was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants on the basis of that which was given to Moses, Jesus and other prophets from their Lord. We do not find discord between the teachings of any of them therefore we are the ones who are truly committed to working for peace.

137) So if they too commit to working for peace on the same basis as you commit to working for peace only then they have adhered to guidance that is proper. However if they move away from the path of peace that was followed by Abraham then they will surely pick fights with you but faithfully acting upon guidance of Allah will be sufficient for you against their animosity because He is comprehensive in His observation of things and making them obvious in due course through what they do.

138) As for acting faithfully on constitution of Allah tell us, who is better than Allah in furnishing mankind with constitution? That is why we abide by His rule alone.

139) Say, are you arguing with us over right of rule of Allah Who is our Lord as well as yours? In that case rest assured that in due cause we will get results of our actions as per our actions based upon His rule of law just as you will end up with results of your actions based upon way of life that you follow and we are sincerely committed to faithfully following His constitution.

140) Or is it that you claim that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants were all Jews or Christians? Say, in that case are you in a better position to prove this claim or is it Allah? Who is then more harmful and destructive for mankind than the party that hides the testimony received from Allah through misinterpretations and misrepresentation? This is how Allah shows that He is not unaware of whatever you do.

141) That was the nation that has already passed away. They earned the result of what they did and you earn the result of what you do, you are not responsible for their deeds.

142) After all this explanation still the foolish will ask, what has turned these followers of the Quran away from the path upon which they used to be? Say, it is because rise and fall of nations depends upon their following or not following properly the path set by Allah and He guides only those who show through their proper efforts they really want to be guided.

143) That is how We brought you the individuals together into a nation in the midst of the human world so that you could act as an example of good human community thus bear witness before humanity about the guidance of Allah as your messenger bore witness for you to see. We did not raise you on the path you were born upon but to make evident those who are proper followers of the messenger as distinct from those who go away. It was indeed a matter needing very hard work but not impossible for those whom Allah has granted His guidance. Allah did not want to make your efforts for peace fruitless because Allah is gracious in blessing mankind with prosperity.

144) Many a time We observed you the people looking forward to establishment of divine kingdom therefore We direct you towards a target that will please you. So from now on get yourselves fully involved in establishing the sacred institution. No matter wherever you are from get yourselves involved fully in that set out task. The people given the book before knew this to be the set purpose for mankind from their Lord and Allah was never unaware of what they did as has been explained.

145) Despite that being the case then, today even if you bring every evidence from their books to convince the people of the book regarding that set out purpose, they will not support your mission for establishing the divine kingdom here on the earth, neither should you support their harmful and destructive missions against the set out goal of Allah. The fact is, none of the people given the books already are supporters of each other's missions due to conflicts in their interests. If after all this information you have been given you still yield to their harmful ambitions and destructive desires then surely you will be of those who have gone off the right track.

146) Those to whom We have already given the scriptures can recognize this Quran as they can recognize their own children due to consistency between them. Yet the group of priests from among them let the purpose of the revelation of scripture remain hidden but it does become obvious from their actions in various ways.

147) The purpose of the revelation of the Quran is set out clearly in the Quran by your Lord for you the followers of the Quran therefore you should never be of those people who are in any doubt about it.

148) Be aware of the fact that in the past for each people from anywhere there was set a goal to achieve within their own set out region but in your case the followers of this mission the goal is universal therefore move all of you together from everywhere for establishing all that is good for mankind. Whatever background you are from, Allah will bring all of you together under one and the same constitution because Allah has set out laws to govern everything in the universe.

149) So from whichever background you start your journey of life towards divine mission, remain focused on establishing the divine kingdom in the world/ sacred institution. This is the purpose set for you by your Lord because Allah is never unmindful of harm and destruction you people inflict upon each other.

150) So whichever background you come from get yourselves fully involved in accomplishing the divine kingdom/institution/goal and whichever place you live in work towards it, so that no people of any place can fight against you any more with the exception of the rulers and priests among them who are against the idea of fair and compassionate society, for such people will continue their fights against Our mission due to their arrogance and ignorance. Pay them no attention rather remain focused on Our mission so that We fulfil Our promise of prosperity for you and that is how We will prove that you are rightly guided.

151) O mankind! Just like in the times past, We have sent among you this messenger from among yourselves who enforces upon you for your prosperity Our set out tasks by teaching you Our book for implementing Our rule of law in order to free you from your self-created problems, that is why he teaches you things about which you were not aware before.

152) Therefore you should proclaim to the nations of the world that kingdom of this world must be ruled according to My constitution and I will establish you as administrators of My constitution that is how you should appreciate Me by implementing My constitution therefore oppose not My rule.

153) O you who claim to be committed to working for peace, seek support with steadfastness for the implementation of the divine system, surely Allah is with those who are consistently persistent in accomplishing His mission.

154) That is why you should never even think about those who were fought against for supporting the cause of Allah that they were defeated. No, not at all rather they were such determined people who were lively themselves and brought others to life but how did they do that you are not yet aware of it.

155) That is why We will avail you too the opportunity to show your determination as well through things like fear for hunger and loss of wealth as well as loss of people and fruits of your hard work to prove yourselves but happy news is for those who would remain consistently steadfast.

156) who when afflicted with hardship say, we are working for Allah so to His revelation we will refer for our guidance no matter what.

157) Such determined have to be the people upon whom rests responsibility of accomplishing the targets set by their Lord for His blessings for them because they are the people who are guided properly.

158) Surely clarity of purpose and course of action are also of the requirements of Allah for accomplishing His set out mission, so that any party that strives for installing Our constitution in the land or works on building the human community upon it- due to that clarity of purpose and properly planned course of action- does not find itself overwhelmed with obstacles along the way to accomplishing its goal. That is how Allah makes obvious for others in due course people that choose consistency between their set out goal and its execution to make them appreciated.

159) As for those who remain ignorant and lost about Our revealed clear goals for their guidance after We have made all this clear for them in the book such are the ones whom Allah lets remain in state of suffering because they choose to do nothing therefore continuously suffer at the hands of those who make others suffer

160) but not those who even then turn to Our guidance, learn sense, reform and go after Our set out objectives faithfully with clarity because it is people like these for whom open doors to prosperity, that is why We turn to people for blessing them through revelation.

161) As to those who oppose Our rule and end up destroying themselves yet continue their opposition to Our rule, it is people like these upon whom rests painful suffering as told to them by Allah through His authorised people and as should be clear to them from results of actions of all the nations,

162) these people will remain in painful suffering and their suffer will neither be lightened by their inflictors nor will they be given respite by them unless they rise up themselves against it to end it.

163) There is no reason for people not to rise up against such like situations because your ruler is solely God alone as there is no other sovereign in this kingdom other than Him, the gracious the merciful.

164) Surely in the evolution of the heavens and the earth and in the rotation of the earth for night and day as well as in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the benefit of mankind and in the rain which Allah causes to come down from the heaven with which He revives the earth after its death by spreading in it all kinds of animals and also in the changes that occur in the atmosphere such as in the controlled formation of clouds between the heaven and the earth there are evidences for people to learn to be intelligent and live not by rule of any other than Allah.

165) Despite such readily available clear proofs in the universe that rule of Allah is the only proper rule for the mankind there are masses of the people who ignore learning them critically and instead unquestioningly abide by rules of other than Allah in the name of Allah and show loyalty to them to such degree as they ought to be loyal to rule of Allah, but those who commit to working for peace are staunchly loyal only to sovereignty of Allah after they have properly examined His evidences. Perchance those off the track could realise and reform before they really end up in their self inflicted painful suffering. Indeed sovereignty entirely belongs to Allah alone and Allah has set up strict laws that make people face the consequences of what they do.

166) At the time when the serious consequences of their actions will face them those who set up their own rule instead of rule of Allah through power, wealth and baseless religious dogmas will leave those who follow them to suffer that is how the very bonds which forcibly bundled them together will break down.

167) And the followers will say, if only it were possible to go back in time and start a anew then we would break all ties with them as they have broken their ties with us today leaving us to suffer on our own. That is how Allah will show them the results of their blind following of each other like animals. They will be full of regrets therefore they will not be able to free themselves from hatred for each other unless they come to revelation of their Lord.

168) So O you the mankind! Participate freely in all that is according to Our constitution and beneficial for mankind in the land and never live by rule of anyone who opposes Our rule because that in due course will surely prove adverse and incompatible with your dignified existence.

169) Such a ruler will urges you to do things which are destructive and harmful for mankind as well as make you attribute wrong things to Allah about which you have no proof whatsoever.

170) Despite such like clear explanations when it is said to people, learn and support what Allah has revealed. They reply, no way! We will instead follow the way of our forefathers. What! Even if their forefathers learned no wisdom to examine things critically due to which they lacked sense to benefit from Our guidance?

171) The likeness of such people as oppose the rule of Allah is like that of a herd of cattle, call out to them as one may, they hear nothing but a shout and a cry, they are deaf, dumb and blind, and lack proper sense of thinking things through.

172) O you who claim to be committed to working for peace! Take part in all that is beneficial for mankind with which We have provided you, that is how you should show the world to appreciate the rule of Allah if it is His constitution you really serve.

173) He has surely strictly forbidden for you the followers of the Quran getting involved in things like ill-gotten gains/destruction, bloodshed, pig-philosophy, exploitation or greed based economy and all that is done outside the constitution of Allah. In case one is dragged into such a chaotic situation or circumstance whereby one is forced to get involved in such things but commits to getting out of this situation and means no harm to others nor rebellion against Our rule upon such people there is no blame. Allah is surely protector of mankind through His revelation for their prosperity so that they fall not in such situations in the first place.

174) Surely those who ignore proper understanding of that which Allah has revealed in the book for the benefit of mankind thereby misinterpret and misrepresent it therefore exchange knowledge for ignorance for which mankind pay a terrible price in form of painful suffering, that is how such people gather nothing for their future generations but fire of hatred among their people against each other. That is why Allah does not inspire them the ways and means to establish divine rule nor frees them from their self inflicted suffering so they are left to suffer the severe pain unless they rethink their position and readjust it according to Our constitution.

175) Such are the people who exchange Our rule for any harmful and destructive rule as if they like buying into poverty and wars instead of peace and prosperity. How eager are they to enter life of pain and suffering!

176) That is so because Allah has revealed the book for a set purpose of peace and prosperity of mankind, but those who look in the book ignorantly and arrogantly misinterpret and misrepresent it thereby they cause misconceptions that divide mankind so they are surely looking forward to wars for exploitation that lead to harm and destruction.

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Muslims do need to open their eyes to what is going on in the real world and not follow anyone blindly otherwise they are bound to lose faith in divine revelation when they are confronted by rest of the world on better foundations than their mullahs can provide them with.

It is time to examine the quran for yourselves if you really want to be muslims and want future to be better not only for muslims but for rest of humanity as well. Stop treating islam as a religion treat it as a purpose of your life as set by Allah. Take the quran not as a holy book of a religion but as a divine manifesto and constitution for islam for mankind to build a proper human society upon. Otherwise you are a muslim or not matters not to God or humanity because you are not benefiting yourself nor anyone else. Your existence is then not any better than animals, if anything it is worse.

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Lethal bhai … Mughal1 bhai is flooding the threads again … :naraz:

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Calling it like it is.. isn't mudslinging brother. I didn't curse at you or anything!

Relax. I don't hate you. My style of written language can come across as passionate/to the point. No hatred there.

Standing by old traditions is no positive trait IMO. Realizing its folly and moving on requires guts.

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Mughal, NOBODY is going to read your million word post.

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For my sake ... I prefer to remain where I am ... You have realised a folly ... Good for you ... But I don't agree with you ... Now who created this difference you or the religion? Of course since the religion predates you ... It was you who created the difference ...

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  1. I appreciate your attitude, I always have. At least you dont DIRECTLY threaten me with judgement day./
  2. What difference? The difference between the religious and the non-religious? I believe that difference has existed since forever.

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peace psyah, are bhai sb naraazgi ki kia baat hai aap ko meri posts nahin padni to na paden magar jo padna chahte hun un se to moqa na chhinen. Aap ke jo bhi nazriyaat hun ham ne aap ke khilaaf complain nahin kiya. Yahan par shia hazraat bhai hen aur ehle hadith bhi aur deobandi bhi aur deegar ehle sunnat bhi. in ke ilaawa aur bhi kayee tarah ke nazriyaat rakhne waale log hen jo apna pana point of view share kar rehe hen.

baat ki gayee hai fasaad ki aur main samajhta hun islam ka fsad phelane se koi taaluq hi nahin hai. sis per maine quran ka hawaala diya hai keh khud dekh lo kahan pe quran apne maanane waalun ko fasaad ka hokam de raha hai.

doosri post isi ziman main hai keh ham ko quran ko padna chahiye ta keh ham ko pata to chale ke quran main likha kia hai aur hamaare molvi log ham ko kia bataate hen aur us par log kia kia tanqeed karte hen aur us ka jawaab hamare mullah logoon ke paas nahin hai. yeh is liye ke mullah ka dor ab khatam hone ko hai bas kuchh aur halaat khraab hone ki dair hai aur logoon ko samajh aane ki dair hai. us ke baad har mullah ko joote paden ge jo quran ko apne fasaadaat aur mufadaat ke liye istemaal karta hai.

Links dene ka faaida yeh hota hai ke logoon ko kaam ki baaten doohnde main waqt zaaya nahin karna padta.

hamaari qaom ilm main pehle hi bahot kamzor hai agar aap jese log is ko aisa hi rakhna chahte ho to apni rawish par chalte roho nateejah bahot jald saamne aana shuroo ho jaaye ga.

yeh waqt ki zabardast zaroorat hai keh ham log apni khud saakhta chardiwaari se bahir nikal kar dekhen aur sochen.

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Ok so if the difference has existed forever, then being religious and irreligious has existed forever and if that is the case then what you said in post #26 that standing by old traditions and moving on taking guts is a pointless point ... Because as you rightly admit ... Moving on i.e. being irreligious is just as old or traditional as is religion but then if religion is more traditional or older and hence moving on is being justified then we can say that it was the irreligious who created the difference in the first place.

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Are bhai maine aap ko kahan majboor kiya hai keh aap meri posts ko zaroor hi pado lekin doosrun ka haq to un ka apna hai keh woh meri posts ko paden ya nahin.

Albatta behs mane nahin aap ne chhed di hai deen ko fasaad ki waja bataa kar to maine to is baat ka jawab diya hai. jab aap ko munasib lage aap ko istifaada karne ka haq hai ilm ko phelaana har shakhs ka bunyaadi farz hai insaan hone ke naate.

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I do not think conflict is caused by religious or irreligious but by ignorant and arrogant as the quran itself explains and the same is true in actual fact. You will never find wise people causing trouble to other human beings. It is always ignorant and arrogant. Ignorant does not know better therefore like an animal does what he does as per what he knows and arrogant refuses to learn because his attitude is I do not need this or that kind of knowledge as I am doing better without it so why bother sort of thing. All conflicts are therefore based upon this very simple explanation.

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here we go, circular logic and point evasion. same ol.

im out

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Ironic ... I was pointing out how you were taking me around in circles ...

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Good points ... I agree ... But those long posts should be linked to your site not reposted here ...

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Peace Mughal1

Link provide kardiya Karen phir sarey Khush ho jaein gey ...

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But Khilafat was for only a short span of time. Some western writers (like Karen Armstrong) claim that for a long time, Arabs were not interested in converting people from other areas and they developed separate cities outside the conquered areas. This was the time when politics and religion were integrated.

Once Muslims rulers (khalifas) changed to Monarchs, integration between the politics and religion came to an end and afterwards there arose serious differences between the rulers and religious scholars. Famous scholars were imprisoned because they didn't want to be the part of that Monarchy set-up.

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If we read about various forms of ruling systems we will see how different ruling concepts came to being but so far all were anti God and anti humanity save the ones that were based on divine revelation but they lived for a very short while and only here and there save the last one that was brought about by the last messenger of God. That sent the message throughout the world and was brought to an end soon after the death of the prophet.

After that things were back to what they were before. Originally it was rule by the one who was powerful among the involved people eg in family unit father was leader and in the clan and tribe the chief had to assert his authority through physical combats ie whoever was found strongest took over the tribe and the rest followed. As more tribes came together the strongest tribe took over the leadership of the area and the rest just accepted it followed it. This is how concept of absolute monarchy worked and on the same idea came about huge empires. Once one person’s physical strength was not sufficient alliances were created and chiefs of tribes became nobles around the table of the king. When things became more difficult religious leaders were created to help kings unite people behind them. There came time when rule became divided between monarchs and clergies. Kings then ruled people in the name of country and mullahs in the name of God. The power struggle between kings and mullahs gave way to mullahs. Just as earlier kings used to choose mullahs so mullahs chose kings for people. Over a long period of time both these entities lost their absolute power over people when money traders became more powerful than both kings and mullahs. From then on it were money people who manipulated kings and mullahs as it suited them and so it continues even today. By now money people have absolute power over whatever is going on in the world. Anyone who lacks in having wealth is just a slave of the wealthy. Just as one strong person could make weak people his slave and just as person who was clever could manipulate the rest so whoever has money can manipulate the rest.

Islam is therefore anti personality cults. It is because kings and mullahs and the wealthy people always made rules and laws to suit them at the expense of all others and that is how they kept everyone else under their thumb. This situation is going to remain for as long as people do not educate themselves and rise up to get out this situation. This uprising is called YAWMAL QIYAAMAH in the quran. It is because the quran is revelation for education based revolution to free humanity from slavery of each other and to put them on the road to brotherhood, peae and prosperity.

The message of the quran has been diverted by rulers, priests and money traders because the quran opposes them big time. Something that muslims have not yet woken up to. The quran is revelation of Allah that sets a goal for humanity to accomplish ie peace=islam. The quran is manifesto of islam that is why its message needs proper understanding and spreading so that people become united on the goal and terms and conditions set in the quran. This unity demands that there ought to a constitution to unite under and that constitution is quran. The quran provides humanity with all it needs to unite, be in peace and progress and prosper.

The concept is very simple, no person can be ruler in islam other than God himself. God being the ruler is the only one who has the right to give his constitution to the people to live by. The constitution is supreme ie all people and institutions must abide by constitution. No body is slave of anyone rather all are to serve the will of Allah for the good of humanity. In simple this universe is house of Allah and anyone living under this roof must abide by house rules. Anyone who does not abide by house rule can leave or face set penalties.

The quran gives right to people to choose people from among themselves for the administration of the constitution. This is the real difference between all other kinds of ruling systems and islamic khilaafah. It is not based upon concept of who rule by the strongest in human society like kings, it is not based on who is cleverest in society and able to manipulate humanity psychologically like mullahs and it is not based upon the concept of who is wealthiest in the society.

Leaving all these aside it is based upon true rule of law concept ie all are equal under the constitution. Each and every person and institution has set rights and responsibilities so people can see who is going about in his daily life within his set rights and who is breaking that set limit or who is fulfilling his responsibilities and who is not and if any does not then what the penalty is.

Not only that but the quran challenges the whole of mankind to test it by finding any better goal than set by the quran or any better terms and condition set out in the quran for accomplishing the set goal=islam.

The quran challenges mankind that no matter whatever rule you live by, you will never attain peace and prosperity.

It also challenges humanity to try islam and see for yourselves how it gives you peace and prosperity because it sets out a road map for mankind or a program for this purpose. So all people need to do is understand the quran and implement its program and see what happens.

This is why all interpretations of the quran are wrong because they were written for a specific purpose in mind ie to give kings and mullahs and wealthy people justifications in the name of Allah and rasool. These people attributed so many lies to Allah and rasool in the name of islam. This is why muslims need to get out of the box kings, mullahs and wealthy people put them in for their own dirty ends. Today ummah is suffering seriously as a result of all these wrongs that our these leaders did to us in the name of islam and we topo deserve it because we did not bother educating ourselves to see where these people were actually taking us. So if we still want to continue our lives as we are then no need to worry we will keep getting the results that we work towards.

Allah only helps those who help themselves in what they want.

If you want better life then you must work for it and if you want the life to be as it is then continue as you are doing. You only reap what you sow. You sit and do ZIKR as mullahs told you then you will get the result of that zikr and if you make sense of what zikr is in real sense then you will get results as told for that definition of zikr. Allah only changes nations for the better if they work for it but if they don’t then they do not end up better by doing nothing.

The quran is to the point book. Those who live by it get what it promises and those who stay away from the quran remain confused and suffer anxiety and regrets as well as harm and destruction from which the quran wants to save people.

So people who do not study the quran, they do not know what they are missing. It is sad if they claim to be muslims but know nothing about the quran just because some molvi told them I will get someone to get you forgiveness from Allah. Loads of khatme quran but no sense what they reading and to what end.

Watch the car accident and investigation, The flying car is reality after all and so is invisible car

The Indestructibles-- Flying Car Accident (Please Click On 1 Ad :slight_smile: - YouTube
The Flying Car - Crazy video.flv - YouTube
Invisible Mercedes - YouTube
Invisible car crash prank - YouTube
Invisible Car - YouTube

Re: Jizya tax - What was the logic?

:konfused: can you please summarise main points related to the topic of thread.