JIT , Mulzam , Nawaz Shareef Haziir ho #ملزم_نوازشریف_حاضرہو

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Ok, i don’t understand anything and so all the institutaions/army/court and common peple like me.

Can u explain me/us then why it is a political victimisation when a PM or a normal person is held accountable and is asked to explain how he earned that much money when in first placed it ignored? I am novice please explain me.

When i do not file my income/property to tax department and suddenly because of Panama leaks my hidden property comes to light… can u tel me why it is political victimisation??? Can u tell me why ALL the people don’t understand the basic of law except PMLN top leadership or their cronies?

I hope u will explain

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First of all we are talking about industrialist family that were wealthy having a big enough business that was nationalised in the early 1970’s. They then set up businesses in the middle east.

I met a judge once who had 2 houses in Islamabad, he purchased a plot for in 20,000rs in 1980’s and is worth around 40 million nowdays just for one plot. Plus he had a property in London and maybe other investment. Now if people who had nothing in 1980’s and 1990’s can now be millionaire and billionaire then for Nawaz family to buy 3 or 4 apartments for around 2 to 3 million dollars in nothing.

We have known about these flats since late 1990’s well before Panama and accountability has been carried out by Bhutto and Musharraf so whats new about Panama? Why are overseas companies and assets of Zardari, Rehman, Saifullah/s, Aleem Khan, Tareen and Niazi not part of accountability? Was a judge also not named in Panama papers? What about generals who had nothing but bicycles but now their children are industrialists?

Nawaz Sharif may or may not have filed tax returns whilst in exile but his companies paid billions in taxes to Pakistan since they were set up. If I have a company and it pays taxes, it does not mean that I also have to pay taxes as I might not take any income from the company in that particular year.

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This is not about accountability but about maintaining the privileged position of the army by weakening the elected leaders.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1344175/a-stalled-democracy
EITHER way, we’ve hit a wall. Nawaz goes or Nawaz stays, the transition to democracy has stalled. And it’s hard to see what’ll get it back on track.

The great big evolution in this transition, the one triggered by the ouster of Musharraf, was in electoral democracy. You win, you stay — full term, no funny business.

That understanding was forged between Nawaz and BB and it was forged in the fire of more than two decades of mutual self-destruction. When we fight, they win — an equation as obvious as it was difficult to accept.

But once it was internalised, a real move forward was possible. You win, you stay — full term, no funny business. The Charter of Democracy.
Asif initially tried to tamper with that, but he was quickly back. Memories are short and the episode short-lived, but the only direct attack against democracy in this transition was launched by the PPP against the PML-N.

It made sense. Asif was a novice and not bound by the pact BB had made. He had always been collateral damage, not the reason the fires had raged before nor the real target of the flames.A tragedy of our democracy is that it is made out to be about someone else’s loss.

So he tried to chuck out Shahbaz in Punjab. It didn’t cost Asif — at least not immediately — but it did cost all of us.
Politics is full of such ironies, but this one is especially bittersweet: had Asif not ousted Shahbaz in Punjab, Iftikhar Chaudhry could have remained in limbo.

But because Asif used the courts and the Dogar interloper, he brought the iron gavel of Chaudhry crashing on all our heads.
Asif eventually paid a merciless price, the Sharifs even landing memogate in the court of Chaudhry. But Asif is gone, beaten back to his base in Sindh. The rest of us are still here.

Ask yourself this: if it weren’t for Chaudhry, would we even be here today, a country in suspense, wondering if another elected prime minister is about to marched to the political guillotine?

Yet, for all of Asif’s sins, the stalling of the democratic project was also begun with him. He was its first victim.

Asif will never get a fair shake, not now, not ever, but there is a mystery at the heart of Zardari’s PPP. Why has he let it collapse so?
It boggles the mind, an implosion so spectacular outside Sindh that it’s embarrassing to even deploy the Asif-has-achieved-in-10-years-what-the-boys-couldn’t-in-30 argument.

It’s easy to blame corruption. Zardari’s love for property and shady deals are epic vices. But everything we’ve learned, everything we’ve seen in the repeated swatting aside of Bilawal, is of a man who is hungry for more; a man hungry for politics.

Even from the straightforward approach of a man desperate to get back in the political game just to make more money, a subdued, self-sabotaging Asif makes no sense.

Better to run the IK path of electables or the Sharif path of crony capitalism than to shut yourself out of the game altogether. It makes no sense, except for this: Asif doesn’t believe the boys will ever let him return to power.

Why struggle for Punjab or in KP if in your heart of hearts, you don’t think they’ll ever allow you to return to the top of the pile? Why not just protect the base and plot for second best?

Scoff at it, decry it, but Zardari’s predicament is about a devastating power struggle and one side’s perception of the other. And not to put too much of a gloss on it — it is, after all, Asif — but it is about breaking the civilians.

Asif was their first victim.
Now, it’s Nawaz’s turn. It makes a difference if he survives or not. Democratic form is the most obvious path to democratic substance.
But already something else has been signalled across this land. On this day, a day before the submission of a report that seems more anticipated than the results of election night, it is shockingly clear:
Nawaz can be ousted.

That right there is the transition hitting a wall. Nawaz may survive. He may not. But he’ll only survive as Nawaz the prime minister that the country believed the boys could have ousted if they wanted to.
That right there is the power equation. And Nawaz is on the wrong side of it.
But forget about Nawaz. And Asif.
And IK. A tragedy of our democracy is that it is made out to be about someone else’s loss.

Oh no, they’re after Asif. Actually, Asif deserves it. Oh no, they’re after Nawaz. Well, maybe Nawaz deserves it. Oh no, they’ve got it in for IK. But could IK have behaved better?

Tomorrow or a week from tomorrow or a month from tomorrow, Nawaz’s fate will be clear. But the fate of the transition to democracy already is.

If they can get the prime minister, the transition is about as weak as it was when it began.
That’s our loss, yours and mine. Democracy isn’t Nawaz, Asif or IK; it’s what they, the boys, can snatch from us.
And that brings us to the final problem. Survive or not, Nawaz already looks like a loser. Win the election next year and a template already exists to bleed him carefully over the next five years.

And so from inside that wretched pit, the one the transition may have plunged into, there is that desperate temptation: may as well let IK have his turn?

The transition to democracy, after all, may already have hit a wall.

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I don’t understand why you guys keep on justifying the corruption of your leader. Have you seen video of Hussain Nawaz interviewing above? He said they were bhikari when they came to Pakistan. baad main lohay ke kabarhiay banay. And you keep on saying they were bloody rich.

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They had foundry from 1939, but maybe it was in Indian Punjab and when they came to Pakistan they left it behind obviously and started fresh again after settling in Pakistan.

Its not about following a leader but who is working in the best interest of Pakistan.

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well thats exactly what iam talking about!!! and i know u hate to see people of Pakistan getting anything better thsn zardari…

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hey mothafuker, thats more like it!!!

but now i know how a mothafuker like you wants to kill everyone who disagree with your mothafuker logic…

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Ok can I join the cuss party too? Though I know I may not win the “who has bigger potty-mouth” contest but atleast I can learn something, no?

I hope everybody takes a chill pill and not lose their calm.

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The wait is over, JIT is going to submit The Report today in Supreme Court.

Here whats going to happen:

JIT does not have conclusive evidence against Sharifs, not to blame them, it is very difficult if not impossible to track down 40 year old transactions..Even Audit Companies eliminate their record after 10 years.

There might be loop holes here and there, Asad Kharal’s report type things but that is not sufficient.

IK and Media ( Ayaz Mir the rapist, Haroon Rasheed the boot licker, Ary News Team) made a big fuss out of it and made it look like that JIT and SC are on their side…and when decision dies not come as they desire… they wont be able to refute nor object on it..

Last not least, Elections are going to bw held in 2018 and new and better PPP might surprise us.

( iss kay illawa mosam ka haal, Shadi kab hogi, Bahir mulazimat kub milay gee aur Mardana aur Zanana posheeda amraaz ka Shafi Ilaaj kiya jata hay)

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No you burn you little piece of $hit! who the Eff you think you are. If you cant handle disagreement, go kill yourself. This is what imran zani murdood has done to this nation, spewed so much hate. Same bakwas. You are up for a very disappointing time because NS is not going any where. There is no case here. Learn basics of law. PMLN made a huge mistake by letting this victimization go. Owning businesses and properties is NOT a crime, Crime is doing corruption for which there is nothing against them, there is no instance of corruption identifed. This JIT was farce, its now going to put a huge legal chasm. Nothing can be done on a report with out allowing accused to defend but accused need to be told what is their crime, crime is not to have properties. If they think hudaibia paper mills corruption happened, put the FIR on it, accuse and bring proofs, Accused will defend themselves but there is NO WAY in common law / under Pakistan Constitution, a sitting PM can be disqualified with out a cause.

You are so naive, you have no clue how stupid this whole thing is, the whole purpose was to force NS to RESIGN, and he will NEVER resign so here yo go, its either NS or Martial Law and I say to the b@astards in GHQ bring it on this time you losers of every war.

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There is going to be a huge disappointment for all of these. There is no legal recourse here. If PM is disqualified as a result of JIT, we all should be very worried, this means any one can come and tell me that Mr. Chaudhry you have a home in Chicago Suburbs, you are corrupt or you prove it and I go back 20 years to show how i saved/invested. The game planners thought like upteenth time that NS will resign but he DOES NOT have that bone in him, he will never resign, if you want to take over Govt, come and take it and impose Martial law, why play these games where future of many people is disrupted. No matter what, now there may be a precedence in law that will have long term implications.

Also for others, a basic understanding of law is important for every one. SC is not the place to run case, its an appeals and legal review forum. For some one to get punishment there has to be a crime. There is no crime indicated here. If London flats are owned by corruption, the people who think that needs to bring the case, provide proof and allow the accused to defend. One way streets doesn’t work. From this point forward, the best scenario for Court to actually go for a case against PM, push the case to session court and let the process go, that is people who think NS is corrupt, provide proofs and let accused defend. Not by saying we think you are corrupt and provide proof of every penny of 40 years. The Judge Khosa and othe4r Judge will need to be recuse for any thing further. They dont deserve to be on SC, they have violated basic tenant of being Judge that is bringing their personal opinion in writing.

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I don’t understand why you keep labeling some one and his children corrupt when there is no proof of corruption, there is no proven case. No where in world some one is told to prove or he is guilty its innocent until PROVE guilty. May be you are going overboard with your hate which probably is because Nawaz has finished Bhutto name, finished PPP, and is now overtaken Bhutto name. Otherwise, with something not proven, what it will be next, you will call me corrupt too ?

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Ahmed Norani comfirms my stance

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Conclusive evidence … very difficult if not impossible to track down 40 years old transactions:

You mean, Shareef family can not prove that their property in Raiwand and Model town belongs to them? … So, if by any means I throw them out of their property and claim that it is mine, Shareef Thugs cannot prove that these properties belong to them?

As for tracking down 40 years old transactions, than that is again Lie (cannot understand why you are Lying to defend Haramkhors].

Well, according to many, Mayfair flats were bought by HaramKhor in 1992 to 1994. … and that is not 40 years but around 25 years … on the other hand, Haramkhor claims that they acquired these flats in 2006 … and that is 11 years ago.

You might say why I am calling them Haramkhor … so the reason is that, I believe they are rich due to their corruption, commissions and making money from power abuses … hence they are eating Haram … so, they are Haramkhors.

You want proof? … So for me (and for any honest person all around the world): If someone is caught with goods the person cannot prove he got through legal means … or … could not give any proof that he had enough legal funds to acquire the goods … than it is proof enough that the goods are obtained through illegal means. … To have goods or funds for which a person cannot give proof is convincing evidence that the person acquired the funds illegally (if the person ever held public office than it is convincing evidence that the person is corrupt).

In other words, for any honest person: … Nawaz Shareef is Haramkhor … and he would stay Haramkhor, until he gives (HE GIVES) proof that what he has, he acquired legally using legally acquired funds … and since Nawaz Shareef has not given any proof that funds used to acquire Mayfair flats were legal, than it is obvious that funds to buy these flats were illegal. Since Thug Nawaz held public offices since early Zia time … that illegal means can be only corruption, commissions and misuse of office to get rich.

Another big proof that Haramkhor is corrupt Liar … is that, he and his family was continuously lying in public (well, they are habitual Liar anyhow) trying to twist their buying of flats … these lies also give proof that NS and his family are Haramkhors.

As for saying granddad Shareef gave these flats to his grandsons … that itself is obvious Lie (Haramkhors claim that flats they acquired was in 2006, when Granddad died in 2004) … plus, Granddad could not have acquired these flats, because neither he had means or funds (if he had than he was Tax Choor and Liar too) … plus, if flats was his than his (that no one knew) than his own brothers would have called him corrupt, thief and liar … and would have claimed share in these flats (because Mohammad Sharif was not sole owner of business).

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Wow you are still at your childish logic. Take your stance to some qualified attorney and have him / her explain you tenants of common law and how they they pertain to criminal law. Your whole logic of if some one caught bla blah blah,yes Sir it’s your responsibility to Prove a crime and not that of accused. What ever you may say, your opinions don’t change reality. Where is corruption, point it and prove otherwise there is nothing here. Ask sharifs abt model town and raiwind and they will show the proof but here question is not raiwind or model town. It’s offfsohofr companies that they own which in turn own London flats. What’s the proof loan shareed who was among wealthiest businessmen didn’t give money to his grandsons? Where is crime again.

Get some legal education.

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This is the only logical outcome. There is no case here, never was. MNS may become invincible now.

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Haramkhor claim karta hay kay Haramkhor ko flat 2006 may Qatri nay diya.

It is obvious that when property exchange hands than (even if it is gift) … than ownership documents get exchanged and get registered where flats exists … In UK, British registry holds all documents along with owner (It is not big deal, but necessity).

Even if company change hands than also names in company ownership changes and government of the country the company is registered get application and then only country re-register the company in new name .. with documentary proof with new owner as well as country.

So, if Harmkhors got the flats in 2006 (what they claim), than they should have given that evidence to court … instead of Haramkhor running from pole to pillar (watering both pole and pillar with raised leg).

If they would give documentary evidence that flats (or companies holding the flats) was given to them in 2006 (not long ago, just 10 years ago) … and permission that Pakistan court can confirm the transfer with British Registry as well Panama government .. then there would be no need for Qatari.

On the other hand, if JIT has found that flats and/or company was in the name of Haramkhors before 2006 (some are claiming that flats and related companies were in the name of Sharifs since early 1990s), than also Qatari becomes not only irrelevant but Liar.

I believe one reason Qatari is reluctant to appear in front of JIT is that he would be asked to make statement on oath in front of Supreme Court’s representatives (JIT). If Qatari would do that, and then JIT finds proof (what I believe they already have) that company and flats were with Haramkhors Sharifs before 2006 … than Qatari can be sent to prison on charges of Perjury (lying on oath in court). Qatari knows that … so he wants to make statement outside jurisdiction of Supreme Court (that exists on Pakistani soil or Pakistan embassies).

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It is not me who is childish… it is you who are blindly in love of Haramkhors.

As for Sharifs were wealthiest families, that is blatant lie too. These Haramkhors became wealthy during Zia’s time. Actually, their name started getting counted amongst richest Pakistani family was in 1990 report (I think, Pakistan Herald), 2 years after death of Zia).

As for proving crime … again, in law all over the world, when it comes to getting caught having in possession of something, than legality of its possession has to be provided by person possession, not person accusing that possession is illegal (or through corruption, stolen or whatever).

In Haramkhors’ case … after NS Pajama Leak, he admitted that flats belong to him, and that is why he is accused (by Pakistanis) that he obtained the flats from corruption (while holding public office) … and in this case, he would be guilty of corruption if he could not prove that he obtained the flats from legal funds. …

And what I wrote, that is law not only all over the world, but that is how corrupts are caught. No corrupt give receipts that they are taking bribe neither any thief leave receipts what they stole and where they stole. Thus, every corrupt and thief are guilty if they are found in possession of something, unless they prove that what they have is legally acquired. … Obviously, no honest person is worried about that, as everyone can show what they have belong to them by proving their means.

But Haramkhors … they cannot give prove because whatever they have is earning of their corruption, commission and looting Pakistan.

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This was sufficient to understand , what will be happening later . When puppets of estab say this , you should know , some deal happened
There was nothing for Pakistan , It was war on shares of loot inside China’s loans of CPEC .

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Please remember and think:

After all hearings, 5 judges was suppose to give verdict on case. 2 senior most judges (future nest 2 CJs of Pakistan) thought that evidence presented in court was enough to convict Haramkhor as head of corruption mafia and Don of crime. 3 Junior judges also wrote that Haramkhor is guilty but they would like to give another chance to Haramkhor … and form JIT (joint investigation team) to investigate further.

One should remember that just like 2 judges, any one of 3 junior judges could also have convicted Haramkhor, sending him to prison, and then he would have got disqualified prisoner.

Unfortunately, Haramkhors could not come out with any thing new in front of JIT that can be used to exonerate him, and it is most likely that at least 1 of 3 junior judges could also get convinced that Haramkhor has no evidence. .. If that would happen, then judgement is obvious, Haramkhor getting convicted and possibly going to prison.

All this propaganda that … judges can do this or that … is blatantly lie. 2 senior most judges have already convicted Haramkhor of Haramkhori … and it only need 1 more (out of 3 remaining) to do the same (just like senior most 2 judges) … convict haramkhor of haramkhori.