Re: Jinnah founded ISI too
Aalsi,
Thanx for humoring us,..here buddy,..I thought time of India was a serious paper,..Are they have circulations problem,..where they need this kind hot spicy news to collect more revenues or is it a tabloid paper,..where everything goes,…from Seeing Elvis alive to,…Aliens among us and Maritians invading Earth,..,…LOL:)
I love your sense of humor…BTW,..
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hmm..? 
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Atlantis,
Thanx for the analysis,..But I agree,…you know why,..because he learned from your
Gandhi…Now I have to find out that hand drawn secret blue print which Gandhi gave to Jinnah,…To create ISI,..Police,..Army,..and other Govt dept etc,..
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^ you wish! if only Jinna had picked up Gandhi's ethics too!
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Piece of advice: Use Ethics with those,..who know ethics,…And those who don’t then,…play by their rules,…Jinnah out-smarted Gandhi,…which is a fact if you don’t believe me then check the World Map…So relax and enjoy.
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two nation theory laid to rest with emergence of bangaldesh since reliigen alone cant be
basis of nationhood . even with one religen and one language there are many arab nations.
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yar and that is why Gandhi is hated by only Pakistanis in this world. Its strange to note that the same Muslim population in India regards Gandhi in high esteem.. while their brothers across the border regards him much less than Jinnah:) . And its also very funny that the same sentiments that the pakistanis have for Gandhi is very much like the RSS and VHP have for him as well. U r really brothers guys.. stop fighting..
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There is no fight buddy,…Just having fun,..here,..I don’t take this topic even serious,…
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it’s not called outsmarting tariq..it’s called good vs bad. If Gandhi had taken a public stand against Jinnah, that’d have been the end of it. He instead wanted to do the right thing and convince Jinna of his errors…in the bargain he even gave his life.
That’s why I usually urge those pakistanis who criticise Gandhi to look up the words gratitude, peace and ethics.
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Rvikz,
Thanx for coming here and discussing this,..Two nation theory is never laid to rest,..if you guyz think that way,..then may be you guyz are too busy watching bollywood,…
The emergence of bengladesh,..doesn’t prove anything,…Coz,..it was bound to happen sooner or later,…Logistically it was very difficult to defend,..while needing Indian air space to get there . So take it easy and 2 nation theory is well alive as it was 57 years ago…
There is no reason to open the champgne yet,.. India (** The land of Milk and Honey **),…had many opportunities later-on to change the history,..How come they never dared to do that,..? Think about it..
About Arab nations,…They are un-predictable,..They have no regard for religion or anything,…Loaded with Oil money and enjoying their lives in the West…I have no knowledge about their Politics.
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Personally,..I liked Gandhi’s theory,…of non-violance and his stands against british Empire…Also I know he was killed by his own,…people,..But still Jinnah did what he had to do,..whether he listened to Gandhi or not,…but end result is,..he got what he wanted…
Therefore,…If he ( Gandhi ) helped Jinnah,..then I’ll be the first one to pay my respect…I always give credit where its due.
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I think Gandhiji had reconciled with the idea of two nation theory. He had seen the blood shed that was just prior to the division. Would India had been better being one.. well i dont know. And also after independence.. Indian forces really squared the pakistani forces up in 1971 war.. but Indira Gandhi known for her strong will , never asked many things out of Pakistan. They might have known the union of India is not a possibility.. and now it is even more less as it is the second and third generation Pakistanis and Indians living in the subcontinent. Are Indians living any better then Pakistan.. or viceversa.. i dont think so..They have the same problems.. i think Indians and Pakistanis should stop all these bs and should devote their energy towerds more productive things. As far as i know.. no pakistanis like to be with india.. its only indians who want.. what for... not many Hindus are any way left in Pakistan. If at all families have been mis placed it would have been Muslim families, they would have then thought about in unification. So forget it guys.. Pakistan will not have a military power to challenge India.. and India cannot risk a war with Pakistan.
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^ what do you mean "if at all families were misplaced it'd have been muslim families"? If you're talking about partition time migration, it was millions Hindu, Muslim and Sikh families that were displaced and made the long trek. Tens of thousands died in the ensuing melee. That's in fact the main fall-out of the dastardly unthinking idea of partition.
The fact that there aren't many Hindus left in Pakistan and India hosts the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world, even after the partition, tells you all you need to know.
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What i meant was families being divided. Its not only Hindus and Sikhs who were affected.. Muslims were also affected right.
So what do u now suggest.. drive all the muslims across the border..
Can we just forget all this and live peacefully. The question to be asked is.. Is India better off or worse off being United ? U know the answer right !!
Live and let others live.
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Atlantis,
What is happened,…happened,..ok,..Lets two countries live in peace and harmony,…Going in the past doesn’t help anyone,..Thereore, Lets find some common ground and learn to co-exist…
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Vinesh & Tariq - if you want India and Pakistan to live as friendly neighbors respecting each other, it is very important that both acknowledge the truths of partition instead of glossing over the unpleasantness. Know, understand, aknowledge and then go forward. No relationship based on lies will survive.
And the lies we're faced with here are the ones about somehow Pakistan as it evolved was to be the savior of muslims. It was not and as has been proven, has not been. Instead it led to the enormous migratory bloodshed. Gandhi wanted to avoid that but Jinnah didn't. Face that irreversible truth, acknowledge the motive.
Before any monkey starts jumping up and down, let me clarify my point is not to prove the villany of Jinnah or the virtues of Gandhi. I want to ensure that opinions formed based on twisted motives do not go unchecked.
Once that's done, it's easy to let go.
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Listen atlantis,
You can go back in time and change the history,…if you can…Your version of truth doesn’t matter here…What is happened,…is done,…finished,…No one cares about you so called motives,..checked or un-checked,..get over it and relax.
What Jinnah did or,..Gandhi did,…both are gone,..If you have some other motive to play,..then I welcome you,..lets play,…I have full knowledge of history too,..
Therefore, If interested then let me know,…ok:rolleyes:
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There is a Good book Written by "Prakash Almeida",....called Jinnah : Man of Destiny.
Read that book if anyone interested,.
How "Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s life is a mystery. He was hailed as the best ‘Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity’. As a staunch secular nationalist Congressman that he once was; later turned the worst enemy of the Congress. He claimed to be the ‘Sole spokesman of Muslims in India.’ He demanded Pakistan under his two-nation theory."
""He was a famous disciple of Gopal Krishna Gokhale. Another disciple of Gokhale was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi who later emerged as the Mahatma of the people of India and was hailed as the ‘Father of the nation.’ Jinnah aspired to be a Muslim-Gokhale. But then something happened and Jinnah became a rank Communalist."
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^ there you go. The moment the unpleasant fallout is raised, you go to the party line and the book. That's why turmoil - because as da man said, you can't handle your truth