Jinnah addresses Iraqis

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The news were widely reported in the world media. Jinnah addressed thousands of Iraqis today. Here are some excerpts of his speech.

Fellow Iraqi Muslims. You are suffering from the lack of true leadership. I have retired from active politics since 1948 but I do have some words of advice for you.

  1. Good news is that I see a strong and prosperous Iraq in near future.

  2. I urge you to follow my example and send Iraqi young men to law schools of USA and UK.

  3. Learn the art of military from US soldiers.

  4. The sooner you become good soldiers the sooner Americans will leave.

  5. Struggle for your freedom in the halls of Iraq’s parliament.

  6. Please avoid militancy at all costs. This will only hurt your own.

  7. Follow the example of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and setup schools like Aligarh.

  8. Cherish good food, modern clothing, and fancy cars.

  9. Walk with your chin up and back straight.

  10. Be good to your fellow human beings in Iraq and the rest of the world even when the whole world seems to be allied against you.

My dear Iraqis. Follow these rules and you will live a life of freedom.

p.s. more to come later.

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What is all this?
Jinnah Sahab was never a leader of Iraq?
How did this?
Whats the source?

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^^ What would Jinnah do if he were to be the leader of Iraq today?

This thread is an effort to bring in lessons learned from the struggle for Pakistan. Granted some of the things aren't valid anymore due to differences in time and geography. However human beings must learn from the past in order to avoid future mistakes.

Best regards

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What do you mean by "Future Mistakes"

Your post contains a message that is similar to saying "Forget what is going on to you, come join hands with the flow of time"

Unfortunately your post does not justify itself. The time you are referring to, time of Sir Sayed Ali khan and Aligarh, it was not a time of "Struggle for Pakistan".

What is this anology you have made?

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Thanks for astute questions and follow-up discussion. I really appreciate it.

Your question is "Where is the analogy?" (If I understood correctly! Let me know if I am wrong).

Here is my answer based on my limited knowledge. I am still a student of history so things can get quoted out of context.

Struggle for Pakistan was simply an outcome of the struggle to uplift minorities in the British-India. Sir Syed truly believed in non-violent but education based struggle to achieve freedom. His vision was challenged by the militant Maulanas. He was termed as a "sell out" to British. However Sir Syed was proven right and Maulanas had to eat their own words.

The analogy is pretty straight forward. You get occupied when you lose your edge in the world.

The only way to get out of the hole is to go back to square one and get latest training from the world leading institutions. Once you have acquired the latest techniques, you will become free again by simply using non-violent debate and negotiations.

Sir Syed proved it, and so did Jinnah and Iqbal. The same is true even today.

Best regards

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I think this is a great post. At first the title threw me off a little but as soon as I started reading it it all made sense. This is a great way of conveying a message from the historical prespective and from events that led to success of muslims in the Indian subcontinent and the creation of a home country.

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If it is your point of view, fine. But as a fact, I do not agree it.
“Struggle/movement of Pakistan” and the “Ideology or concept of Pakistan” are two unique and different things, interelated yet, distinct from each other.

Again, I disagree.
Sir Sayed did not ever think about “freedom”. His main idea was to make Muslims capable of playing active part in life and not left behind based on their illetracy.

But yes, Sir Sayed did try to uplift and infuse life in the oppressed Muslims. He persuaded them not to abandon the education and obtain the latest education possible so as to compete in the daily life and be able to play their share in India.

:nono: There were no militant maulanas. Don’t twist things.
The religious people were having a different stand at that time. They were not accepting the western cultural invasion in the mutilation of Islam while Sir sayed was clearly declaring the Prophet (PBUH) and his miracles false and total fiction. He is guilty of rejecting the miracles, and the concept of hell and heaven…and for that reason, I personally don’t like Sir Sayed Ahmad Khan. He wrote devious "tafseer " of Quran which was only 15 Paras and for some reason was not able to complete it. But it was devious.
Molanas did not want the Islamic values to be mutilated at a time when the British were already trying to exterminate Islam… (Read about this fact a bit) and they (Molanas) were right in that … the only thin that their methodology was wrong.

Yeah, I agree we need to educate ourselves and make an educated status of ourselves as “Muslims” in the society, I completely agree.

I disagree again. Looks like here somehow your thoughts are not standing by you.
Only latest techniques cannot lead us anywhere.
Latest technologies cannot make you become good humans.
Technologies cannot fight ideologies, systems of lives, emotions, psychologies.
Latest technologies cannot bild a good human character.
Not everything can be accomplished with non-violant means and negotiations. If that had been true, we would have been able to stop Americans from Invading Iraq, attacking Afghanistaan (Without any proof till today) etc etc…

Dear Antiobl,
The thinking style, ideas, personalities of Allama Iqbal + Mr. Jinnah cannot be compared to Sir Syed Ahmad Khan. If you say so and keep them in the same line, you are mistaken big time.

:slight_smile:

Time Pass foR Poetry .......:)
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Mr. Jinnah forgot to add one thing...To drop your pants whenever someone comes to occupy your land, kill your people and steal your natural resources...

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Dear Lajwab, I got your point. What you are saying is that people can’t deal non-violently with someone who has done wrong? Is that right?

However your logic is a bit rash considering the history. For example you would also term (assuming you will apply your logic the same way) that,

  1. Muslims dropped their pants when our Messenger saw asked them to sign Hudaibya treaty.

  2. Japanese dropped their pants when they signed peace treaty with USA after WWII.

  3. Muslims dropped their pants when they allowed Jinnah to sign the Mission plan.

  4. Chinese dropped their pants when they allowed British government to control Hong Kong when they agreed on the continuing the lease for the full term.

  5. Muslims dropped their pants when the Messenger saw was physically and verbally abused during his trip to Taif.

Dear Lajwab, Nations rise and fall during the course of history. Just like the rise of a nation takes a long time, the fall has a lot stages as well. Iraq’s fall started a long time before American army showed up in Baghdad.

During that fall, Saddam and his cronies were looting Iraq’s oil as if there is no end. Volcar report clearly shows, everyone including Russians, French, Bharatis and you name it, were part of the looting process.

All that rot in Iraq cannot be fixed by suicide bombings, or killing innocent Iraqi bystanders, or wedding parties in Jordan.

Iraqis have to go back to square one and follow a slow process of improving themselves just like the Muslims during the time of the Messenger saw, or the Japanese after WWII, or Chinese after the 1970s, or Pakistanis after 1947.

There is no bravery in suicide bombing of wedding parties, as it never allows anyone to pull his pants back up (after they slowly fell during the past 20 years).

Best regards.

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Mr Jinnah must be turning in his grave after reading this.

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Here are some more suggestions:

  1. Be the true leaders of Iraq and develop specific plan for “demilitarization” instead of simply demanding an end to occupation.

  2. Denounce militancy and avoid suicide attacks at all costs.

  3. Take care of your youth. They will be the next leaders of Iraq. Do not let them wasted in a never ending conflict.

more to come.

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Quiad-e-azam ney farmya "tuN chaaL Teey mEin aYaa"

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^:rotfl: Typical lahoria

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Horsing around with 26,000 dead Iraqis shouldn’t warrant rolling on the floor laughing. Utterly shameful.

Mujhe gussa araha hai..
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Anti dear please learn to see things in context.

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Rebuild your cities instead of car-bombing them.

more to come.