Jihadi domestic violence: Maulvi Nazir and Gul Bahadar vs. Baitullah Mehsud

Let’s hope both groups lose. Could be a good thing, at least in the short term.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\07\02\story_2-7-2008_pg1_4

**Mehsud challenged by new militant bloc
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  • Taliban commanders Maulvi Nazir and Gul Bahadar disagree with Baitullah Mehsud’s methods of conducting jihad

Staff Report

WANA/MIRANSHAH: Conflicts surfaced within the ranks of militant leaders on Tuesday when Taliban commanders from the Ahmedzai and Utmanzai Wazir tribes announced the formation of a bloc against Baitullah Mehsud.

“We have formed a bloc to defend the Wazir tribes’ interests in North and South Waziristan,” Taliban commander Maulvi Nazir told Daily Times in Wana. He said the bloc was established on Monday. Nazir joined hands with Haji Gul Bahadar, a Taliban chief from North Waziristan, after several weeks of discussions.

Differing views: “The two Taliban commanders do not have good relations with Baitullah Mehsud, and both Gul Bahadar and Maulvi Nazir disagree with Baitullah’s methods of conducting jihad inside Pakistan,” the analysts said.

Meanwhile, Baitullah Mehsud distributed pamphlets in Miranshah on Tuesday, proclaiming that he would never fight Gul Bahadar or his men. Mehsud also demanded of mujahideen in the pamphlet to prove that he had ever said he would fight Gul Bahadar. Analysts claim that Bahadar’s ‘control’ of border areas in North Waziristan will make Baitullah’s passage through “enemy territory” difficult.

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More jihadi on jihadi violence. This is turning into an epidemic. 500 people killed, this is on top of the 250 killed when different pro and anti uzbek taliban factions were fighting each other some time ago. Will there be long march against these killings?

7 more killed in Tirah clashes

TIRAH: Seven more people were killed and 11 others received serious injuries during a fight between two rival groups in Tirah village of the Khyber Agency on Tuesday. 81 people have been killed in total, and more than 100 injured in the dispute. According to media reports, more than 500 people have lost their lives due to fighting between two religious groups for the last two years in the same area. People living in the area are feeling insecure and have started shifting to safer places. online

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\07\02\story_2-7-2008_pg7_16

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I am very suprised that the moderators allow a term like Jihad which has a deep rooted meaning to be used by a fellow muslim on a Pakistan forum so negatively. How can a non-muslim respect our religion, culture and views when we ourselves dont show any respect to it.

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What's wrong criticising jihad and jihadis?

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^ Its a pillar of Islam. Criticising Jihad is like criticising Salaah or Fasting.

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Ok what term should I use then?

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LOL, just so typical to divert the attention from the actual topic to the use of a term. And this term is used by the jihadis themselves to describe themselves, and is also used in the pakistani media. I'm just following their leads!

And no I'm not critisizing jihad anywhere. I'm criticizing the current self proclaimed jihadis (who have no Islamic authority to wage jihad).

Sharaabi might prefer taliban terrorist.

Here is the authority:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Surah Bakrah, Verse 216

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are you seriously trying to justify suicide bombers as a religiously required things? What all does 'Fighting' include here according to you?