NYA.
Early upbringing matters. Whether you continue to follow instructions/teachings of your elders in later life depends entirely on yourself and a number of other factors.
Do you eat pork? Yes. Why? No. Why?
I am sure when you were in Pakistan, your family did tell you not to eat pork and that it is dirty and what not. Some folks close their minds from that point on, and no pork for the rest of their lives. Some decide to experiment, anyway.
Pristine, the discussion of Pork never entered in our family except that I was referred as one by mother and father alike. Now eating habits don’t have to be hereditary. You eat what is available. People in Pakistan don’t eat pork because it is not available. Open a pork butchery in Lahore and see your piggy bank grow.
<< .some people hate Bangans very religiously...they would rather die hungary than eat a bangan.
I know, specially In pakistan I have seen Bangans in Garbage, not a pretty picture...
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>> As for 'condoning' the killing to begin with, there is a difference between killing period and torturing and killing.
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Andhra,
I really wish there was some way to communicate with you without some sort of comparison to Islam or Pakistan getting in the way.
My questions here are entirely genuine and where I think they may be misconstrued, I make every effort to express that no sarcasm or malice is involved.
Nowhere in this or any other post on the web authored by me, will you find me suggesting that the Islamic way of making meat zabeeha is humane. Nor will you find me implying that we are a "peace-loving people", we Muslims.
Why, in this discussion of jhatka and Sikhism, did you feel the need to define the "difference between killing period and torturing and killing"?
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
Open a pork butchery in Lahore and see your piggy bank grow.
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LOL. Now there's a business venture! Anyone interested in capitalizing on this should PM our friend right away......
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that Pork is not available not because it can't be made available but because it is not consumed in the region?
Btw, NYAhmadi, how can Roman testify that you are "chikna"? What have you two been up to?
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
You eat what is available. People in Pakistan don’t eat pork because it is not available. Open a pork butchery in Lahore and see your piggy bank grow.
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I seriously doubt that. Law enforcement aside, people have such a basic revulsion against eating pork, they will pelt the place with stones (without any moulvi supervising it).
Reminds me, at one time, it was discovered that a restaurant in Lahore was serving horses/khatchar meat in the garb of beef. Newspaper reports claim that folks kept vomitting for days. So, no. It is not a matter of availability, per se. We have mental blocks for lots of things, even if they are available.
Muzna, I was serious, seriously. There are lots of people in Lahore who would die for pork meat. I am not suggesting that Muslims (because it is forbidden) will patronize that butchery. In fact, Pork meat and byproducts were sold in Lahore (in Tolentin Market) until 1974. There is a significant Christian and other non-Muslim population that may want to eat pork. So saying that it is not eaten in the region is not entirely correct. If Government allows one to open, I will go into partnership with Pristine (if he wants to).
There is no difference between Chicken and Pork (genetically).
When NYAhamdi was a child and his mother wanted to give him bath with hot water in winter...this task was refered to as "roasting the pig". ujj asin pig roast keeta...hunn maheena langh jayega araam naal.
I was talking to my colleague, who is Chinese, yesterday at lunch..and the issue of Indians not eating beef came up..I was surprised to know that vast majority of Chinese peasants don't eat or did not eat beef either...the reason he gave was the attachment you have with the cow as it gives you milk and once it is in your home/farm for a while it kind of becomes repulsive to kill it for food.
Then why not chicken too? it gives eggs too..well..chicken does not have long enough life to make that attachemnt in 2 years that cow can in 10 years.
There are lots of people in Lahore who would die for pork meat. <<<
I think you and Pristine are saying the same thing...bass kujh lafzaN da heir pheir ay.:)
Frankly the issue of killing animals for food is one where I never spend more than a passing thought.
To me, chicken, lamb, goat, cows, prawns and fish make delicious dishes. I'd rather have karahi and tikka boti, rather then lose my sleep thinking about the misery of a chicken in a ranch, whose sole purpose in life is to grow up and be killed so we can have succulent thigh and leg (etc) pieces.
Chan mahi
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in Zabiha too the animal doesnt suffer any longer.The brain which is closest to the neck is deprived of blood & oxygen BECAUSE BOTH CAROTID ARTRIES are the first to be nicked as fast ,swift & rapidly as possible .Since carotid arteries are the mainn source of blood to the brain animal becomes BRAIN DEAD in sec. … in jhatka you have to cut the whole neck with Musceles veines nerves thyroid gland & neumerous other structures not to speak of spinal cord & Cervical vertebrae.It requires guillotine line manoeuvre .Also inZabiha all the blood are DRAINED OUT ,or let it drain long after the brain has been dead & animal do not feel in that period.The draining of blood is very important part of zabiha which is healthy as both medically & islamically drinking or eating blood is dangerous for diseases & other harmful toxins.Of course if you are Dracula you need only the Blood
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Hmm…somehow that doesn’t sound right. Or maybe I haven’t read right. I thought that some nerves are left unsevered so that the brain can continue to function thereby telling the heart to continue pumping so that the blood can be expelled from the body.
What part have I misunderstood?
Muzna
I am medical Dr. resident .
You are talking of autonomic nervous system which consist of Sympathetic & Parasympathetic nerves.They not only control heart rate but also sweat ,erection of penis,movement of bowel & intestine,goose pimples ,hair raising in horror & cold ,dilation of pupil of the eye ,…etc & they are automatic that is we dont FEEL it or can normally control it .
Whether that helps your understanding or not ,but it will defenitely make me believeable & more credible
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