jesus's statue in the church

I am not to religious, just a curious thought. So plz take it easy on me :slight_smile:

God said not to pray to any idols. Got that part cleared…but sometimes i dont get it is, like u see a hindu who prays to his idol which looks like a elephant in their temple, and then u have a catholic, who has a statue(idol) of jesus (pbuh) and both of them like kneele down and pray while staring at them. Like why do they have statue’s of jesus in churches? like when u pray to god, and if u believe in one god, why do u need a statue of like jesus in church’s or whatever and these ppl like actually look at them while praying.

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Like why do they have statue's of jesus in churches? like when u pray to god, and if u believe in one god, why do u need a statue of like jesus in church's or whatever and these ppl like actually look at them while praying.
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It is wrong to pray to any image/statue. One of the reasons the Protestants split away from the Roman Catholic Church. Another is praying to Mary the mother of Jesus.

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It is wrong to pray to any image/statue. One of the reasons the Protestants split away from the Roman Catholic Church. Another is praying to Mary the mother of Jesus.
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As a catholic I can advise that I don't pray to a statue. To me the crucifix is a symbol of God's grace to mankind. When I pray I don't pray to the symbol. The symbol is just a reminder.

We do say

Hail Mary full of grace, Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.

Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

We don't pray to Mary but ask Mary to pray for us.

Asking Mary to pray for us is no different in principle from asking one's clergyman to pray for us, or one's relative or friend.

some muslims do it too, pray to saints, to muhammad :saw:, to ali :razi: etc. and call it a means/channel of approaching allah, of course it is wrong according to the scriptures and i don’t agree with it.

christians using eesa :as: or maryam :as: as a means of approaching allah is just the same.

when our own people do not practice tauheed properly we are in no position to start pointing fingers at others and accusing them of shirk.

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As a catholic I can advise that I don't pray to a statue. To me the crucifix is a symbol of God's grace to mankind. When I pray I don't pray to the symbol. The symbol is just a reminder.
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My bad, thanks for correcting me.

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We don't pray to Mary but ask Mary to pray for us.
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Not true. Mary also needed to accept Jesus as Saviour and if she did not, she also will be condemned to hell. Mary is no better than any other human being except that our Saviour was brought nto this world by her. That is one the major differences between the Roman Catholics and the Protestant Catholics. Mary was a sinner and died same as all of us. No person that is dead can intercede on behalf of anyone else.

How did Jesus pray? Did he ever pray?

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My bad, thanks for correcting me.

Not true. Mary also needed to accept Jesus as Saviour and if she did not, she also will be condemned to hell. Mary is no better than any other human being except that our Saviour was brought nto this world by her. That is one the major differences between the Roman Catholics and the Protestant Catholics. Mary was a sinner and died same as all of us. No person that is dead can intercede on behalf of anyone else.
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Not true?

Is true that catholics don't pray to Mary, but pray that she prays for us.

Catholic religion believe in the communion of Saints.

"every pious and holy action done by one belongs and is profitable to all, through charity which seeketh not her own".

He did.

Here are quotes of final hours.

Matt. 27:46,50 (see also Mark 15:34)

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, ‘Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?’ that is to say, ‘My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?’ …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”

Luke 23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, ‘Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:’ and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”

John 19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, ‘It is finished:’ and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”

And also.

“Teach us how to pray,” the disciples said to Jesus. (Luke 11, 1) He answered by teaching them the prayer we call the Our Father or The Lord’s Prayer.

Our Father
who art in heaven
hallowed be Thy name.

Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

pk taz ! what is the difference between a pray and a request?

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pk taz ! what is the difference between a pray and **a request
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Any communication with God is called "prayer", "pray" and "request" included.

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Any communication with God is called "prayer", "pray" and "request" included.
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Any communication with saint or holy man is called "request". Like we request our parents we request our boss, not pray.

God didn;ty say don;t pray to statues? Where ever did you get that silly notion. :rolleyes: Go speak to a chinese person what god said, then an Indian, and then some natives in peru…God has different manisfestations…god is not a limited entity.

Statues and Idols are two different things.

statue

an object made from a hard material, especially stone or metal, to look like a person or animal:

idol

a picture or object that people pray to as part of their religion:
someone who is admired and respected very much:

God didn't say don't pray to idols either. Go ask 3 billion peolpe around the world what god said. They will tell you god is crazy if he said that.

Ismailis have a picture of Aga Khan in their JamaatKhanas.

Christian Churches have idol of Jesus Christ

Buddhist temples and pagodas have Buddha statues.

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God didn't say don't pray to idols either. Go ask 3 billion peolpe around the world what god said. They will tell you god is crazy if he said that.
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what do you mean by "either". i think you didnt understand what i said. Those picture or object which are used to pray are called idols not the statues.

Idol speculation
by Khushwant Singh

PREETAM Giani is an iconoclast (an idol-breaker) in more senses than one. He was born of Pakistani Muslim parents, given a Muslim name and brought up as one. He changed it to a recognisable Hindu-Sikh name Preetam Giani. While a student of English literature in Cambridge University, he openly proclaimed himself to be a gay and continues to champion the cause of homosexuals. He has been in trouble with the police. Looked upon by the orthodox as a renegade, he also declares he is an idolater: he worships Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth. However, Lakshmi has not been very kind to him as he is always hard up for money.

Preetam lives in Abbotabad (Pakistan) and often writes to me. Some years ago, he came to Delhi with his Pakistani friend. I took an afternoon off to drive them round the city. He was not interested in seeing monuments but agreed to visit Ghalib’s grave in Nizamuddin. While his friend recited the fateha beside the tomb of the poet, he stood at a distance taking photographs. He showed no desire to go into the dargah to pay homage to Amir Khusrau or Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya. Instead, he went next door to the Ghalib Institute and handed over a set of his translations of Ghalib’s Diwan.

In his last letter to me, Preetam wrote: “Anyone who has ever kissed the photo of a loved one should be able to understand the reason for idolatory.” That I think is going too far. Most of us have photographs of people we love or admire on our walls or in silver frames on our tables but we do not worship them.

However, one has to concede that the dividing line between respect, admiration and worship is often blurred. However much some religions decry worship of idols, it manifests itself in different forms in all of them. Jainism and Buddhism question the existence of God and decry worship of idols as symbolic representations of the Divine. Nevertheless idols of Mahavira and other Tirthankars and those of Gautama Buddha are the central pieces of all Jain and Buddhist temples. Hinduism, which often maintains God is nirankar (without form), in practice makes no apology for representing the formless God in human or symbolic forms. The only Hindu temples without idols that I came across were in Bali. Reformist sects like the Brahmo and the Arya Samaj which tried to discard idol worship failed in their quests.

Sikhs, who also profess to be against idol worship, treat the Granth Sahib much the same way as Hindus treat their idols. The Granth Sahib is “woken up” in the morning (prakash) and put to sleep (santokhna) at night. It is draped in rich embroidered silks and taken out in processions. In homes of the rich, a room is set apart for the holy book (Baba ji da kamra), and fans or ACs are kept going round the clock in the summer months.

Christians deny they are idol worshippers. However, the reverence they show towards the statues of Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary are no different from reverence shown by idol worshippers to their deities carved in stone or wood.

Muslims claim with pride that they abominate idol worship and regard idol-breakers as their heroes. It is true that they do not allow pictures or idols of the Prophet to be made but Shias in Iran have pictures of Hazrat Ali Hasan and Hussain in the streets and on walls in their homes. More Muslims visit dargahs, where their holy men are buried, to ask for favours than they go to mosques to offer namaaz. Instead of worshipping idols, they worship graves of their peers, rightly described as kabar-prasti.

Idol worship is inherent in human nature.