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Yes, and only after his death did they start worshiping him, and on the day of judgement he(as) will plead ignorance to the fact since he was not among them. But if he(as) were to come back the 2nd time and find out, how will he plead ignorance?
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ok, I will try to find it for you. But even without that, proofs are very clear.
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nope.. after his physical departure from the world. He is not dead yet.
As long as he remained among the ummah of the time (which were children of Israel).. as soon as the title of ummah of the time was given to Muslims - follower of Islam - that ayah becomes more relative in context; hence the second coming does not count in him being witness as a prophet to the ummah. He is to come as a Nabi and follower of the shariah of Muhammad:saw: as similar to so many other Anbiyaa of banu Israel who did not have ummah but came to implement shariah of a previous Prophet.
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[5:118] 'I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me - Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things;
It clearly says "..as long as I remained among them.." . Where does it say "as long as I was their prophet" or "as long as I was prophet of bani Israel"? Please dont make mockery of Quranic Ayahs. How will he(as) plead ignorance to their act of calling him(as) a God if he(as) knows once he(as) is here the second time?
Besides, him being a nabi of Muslim umah 2nd time around instead of being a rasool of bani israel (according to you) wouldnt that make him the last prophet this world sees? What happens to your interpratation of Khatmun Nabiyeen?
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not at all.
All rasool are nabi but not all nabi are Rasool. His Risaalat was till the coming of Syedena Muhammad:saw:
After Muhammad:saw:, the shariah and laws given to Bani Isreal were abondened and replaced by Al Quran and Sharia-e-Muhamamdi:saw:
He, however remains Nabi till last day of this world.
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even if I do agree with that, who will be the last nabi this world sees?
How will he(as) plead ignorance to their act of calling him(as) a God if he(as) knows once he(as) is here the second time?
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Muhammad:saw: for appointment of Jesus:as: as a Nabi was around 600 years before Muhammad:saw:
Muhammad came after Jesus’s appointment.
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Yes, and according to you, Jesus(as) also came after Muhammad(sa)
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Will come but will not be appointed as a Nabi after Muhammad:saw: for he was appointed as a prophet of ALLAH before Muhammad:saw: hence the last one who got appointed was Muhammad:saw:
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Your copy-and-paste sources are as incorrect as you are… you don’t even know where or if this hadith actually exists in the form cited and yet somehow for you it represents “undisputable” evidence!
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Jesus was asked whether he had told his people to take himself and his mother as gods besides Allah… naturally he denied that he had and this is what he is pleading innocent of…
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what part of that u guys dont understand..i think trooper has made everything clear that Jesus (as) has died. He IS NOT coming back. phew
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FF, I have no problems comming back but it just seems these guys just want to write the last post in the thread without actually replying to the points that I mentioned in this thread. Appearently they are trying to prove that they somehow won by having the last post. Anyone who reads all the posts in this thread will know facts from fiction.
I am not here to win anything, a lot Higher Being is watching me and His judgement of me is all that I care about.
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actually I’ve read this thread from the 1st page to the last (4thpage). There is no doubt that Jesus died. How can he go to Allah alive WITH HIS BODY!..? thats the sequence I wanted to understand for a long time from anyone, but no solid proof. So therefore Jesus (as) died. He IS NOT coming back.
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infact I see Trooper posting more Quranic aaya's than AQ or gupguppy to proove that He(as) died.