Folks, it is plain and simple that Jesus (P) was not God, nor he was Son of God. You may be surprise to learn that bible is not true word of God. I intend to prove it from bible itself. Is there anyone who can prove otherwise? Bring your proof and refute me. When I say bible mean any bible from any sect. Christianity has 1,94,000 sects and over quarter million sub-sects. Come-on bring your proof.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
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I couldn't agree with you more ,bro :)
Keep up the good work!
**Christians, if your bible is true word of God? :)Respond to my Challenge below!
A $1,000 reward to anyone who can take all accounts of the resurrection in the four gospels, Acts, and 1 Corinthians 15, and write a single narrative in which he includes every event and detail mentioned in the separate accounts and do so without omitting anything or injecting inconsistency, contradiction, or purely speculative materials into the narrative.**
My wife who is a convert to Islam from Christianity will add another $1,000 dollar. That will make the reward $2,000 total. I'll give anyone bank guarantee acceptable worldwide. There is no limit or restriction on the numbers of participants. Every Christian can participate that means all the world's population of Christians. I'll even allow multiple entries. Take out your bible please and do it, right. You can prove us all wrong and defend your faith by proving it to be TRUE.
Peace :)
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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WHO IS LYING CHRISTIANS?
**NO RESURRECTION "What is wrong with you (Christian) folk?" Jesus is telling you in the most unambiguous language that he is not a SPIRIT - not spiritualised, not a RESURRECTED person, and yet the whole Christian world believes tht he was RESURRECTED, i.e. SPIRITUALISED. Who is lying, you or him ? How is it possible that you (each and every Christian) are reading your Holy Bible in your own mother tongue and yet EACH AND EVERY LANGUAGE GROUP IS MADE TO UNDERSTAND THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY ARE READING ? If you read the Bible, say, in Hebrew, and pleaded that you did not understand what you were reading, I can appreciate this fact. If you read it in Greek and pleaded that you did not really understand the imp- lications of what was written; I can appreciate this fact also. But the anomaly is that you are reading the Book, each and every one, IN HIS OWN MOTHER TONGUE, and are trained to understand the OPPOSITE of what is written. How have you been brainwashed, or rather, how have you been "Programmed," as we Americans would put it. "Please tell me as to who is lying ? Is it Jesus or a thousand million Christians of the world? Jesus says, "NO!" to his being resurrected, and all of you say "YES!" Whom are we Muslims to believe, Jesus or his so called disciples ?
We Muslims would rather believe the Master. Did he not say, "The desciple is not greater than the Master." (matthew 10:24) **
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORD?
Dear Christian:
I can't accept the Bible as God's Word because it contains hundreds of
problems and contradictions that can't be solved, only rationalized. I
ask only that you read what follows in line with James' teaching that
Christians should be "open to reason" (James 3:17 RSV) and Isaiah's
belief that we should "reason together" (Isa. 1:18) to see just a few of
the Book's many shortcomings.
If you must accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be saved (John
14:6), what about the billions of beings that die as fetuses, infants,
and mentally deficient, etc.? For them to accept Jesus would be
impossible. So they are condemned to hell because of conditions over
which they had no control. Deut. 32:4 says God is just, but where is
the justice?
Why are we being punished for Adam's sin? After all, he ate the
forbidden fruit, we didn't. It's his problem, not ours, especially in
light of Deut. 24:16, which says children shall not be punished for the
sins of their fathers.
God created Adam, so he must have been perfect. How then, could he
have sinned? Regardless of how much free will he had, if he chose to
sin, he wasn't perfect.
How can Num. 23:19, which says God doesn't repent, be reconciled
with Ex. 32:14, which clearly says he does?
How can 2 Kings 8:26, which says Ahaziah began to rule at age 22,
be reconciled with 2 Chron. 22:2, which says he was 42?
How can Ex. 33:20, which says no man can see God's face and live, be
squared with Gen. 32:30, which says a man saw God's face and his life
was preserved?
Rom. 3:23 says "all have sinned." All means all. Yet, Gen. 6:9 says
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. Job 1:1 & 1 :8 say
Job was perfect. How could these men have been perfect if all have
sinned?
How could Moses have written the first five books in the Bible (the
Pentateuch) when his own death and burial are described in Deut. 34:5-6
("So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab ...
and he buried him in a valley. . . .")?
Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses (1 Kings 4:26) or 4,000
(2 Chron. 9:25)? Did Solomon's house contain 2,000 baths (1 Kings 7:26)
or 3,000 (2 Chron. 4:5)?
Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Cor.
15:14,17). Yet, why would it be of any consequence since the Widow at
Nain's son, Jairus's daughter, Lazarus, and many others rose before
Jesus? By the time he rose this was a rather common occurrence. I
would think it would have been met by a resounding yawn rather than
surprise followed by: So what else can you do. Adam's act of coming
into the world as a full grown adult is more spectacular.
Was Jehoiachin 18 years old when he began to reign in Jerusalem and
did he reign 3 months (2 Kings 24:8), or was he 8 years old and reigned
3 months and 10 days (2 Chron. 36: 9). Did Nebuzaradan come to
Jerusalem on the 7th (2 Kings 25:8) or 10th (Jer. 52:12) day of the 5th
month?
How could we follow the 6th Commandment, even if we wanted to, when
the authors of the various versions of the Bible can't agree on whether
the key word is "kill" or “murder”? Surely they recognize the
difference?
We are told the Bible has no scientific errors, yet it says the bat
is a bird (Lev. 11:13,19), hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:5-6), and some
fowl (Lev. 11:20-21) and insects (Lev. 11:22-23) have four legs.
Matt. 27:9-10 quotes a prophecy made by Jeremy the prophet. Yet, no
Bible believer has ever been able to show me where it lies in the Book
of Jeremiah.
Heaven is supposed to be a perfect place. Yet, it experienced a war
(Rev. 12:7). How can there be a war in a perfect place and if it
happened before why couldn't it happen again? Why would I want to go to
a place in which war can occur? That's exactly what I'm trying to
escape, aren't you?
Believers are told in Mark 16:17-18 that they can drink "any deadly
thing" and "it shall not hurt” them. But I don't think you would be
naive enough to drink any arsenic offered. Perhaps I'm wrong and you
would be willing to test the Book's veracity-"lay it on the line" so to
speak?
We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18,36) "
yet Jesus told a man to follow the Commandments-Matt. 19:16-18 (saving
by works)-if he wanted eternal life.
According to the text there are 29 cities listed in Joshua 15:21-32
(RSV). One need only count them to see that biblical math is not to be
trusted. The total is 36.
Surely you don't believe Eccl. 1:9 RSV ("What has been is what will
be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new
under the sun")? How many cities had an atomic bomb dropped on them
prior to 1945, and how many people walked on the moon before 1969?
If the Bible is our moral guide, then how can it make pornographic
statements such as: “...they may eat their own dung and drink their own
piss with you" (2 Kings 18:27)? Is that what you want your children
reading on Sunday?
If God created everything, (Col. 1:16, Eph. 3:9, Rev. 4:11, John
1:3), then he did create the world's evil (Isa. 45:7, Lam. 3:38). Thus,
he is responsible.
In Psalm 139:7-11 we are told God is everywhere. If so, why would
God need to come down to earth to see a city (Gen. 11:5) when he is
already here? And how could Satan leave the presence of the Lord (Job
1: 12, 2:7)?
For justice to exist, punishment must fit the crime. No matter how
many bad deeds one commits in this world, there is a limit. Yet, hell's
punishment is infinitely greater. It’s eternal.
Last, in Acts 20:35 Paul told people “to remember the words of the
Lord Jesus, how he said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn't Paul guilty of
deception?
These examples expose only a few of the many reasons I can't accept the
Bible as the word of a perfect being.
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution! *****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*
Is the Qur'an the Bible's Savior?
In the 19th century, Darwinian geology and biology have challenged the literal truth of Genesis and the divinity of the Bible. The hitch that prevents the modern scientific mind from accepting the divine version of creation is the extreme disparity between the enormous length of time required for the evolution of the earth, universe and the contradicting short period of six days. No wonder the Bible is branded as a 'myth', especially as each day of creation ends with the words "And the evening and the morning were the first day"(Gen. 1:5), etc.
In comparison to the Bible, the Quran uses the words "in six periods of time" in seven different passages on creation, but here, not once are the 'periods' defined as "the evening and the morning".
The Arabic word used in the Quran is "Ayam" which is from the Latin word eaon which literally means a "segmant or incrament of time"
In the light of these verses, we can surmise that the Bible is not a 'myth', as confirmed in the Koran. The Koran cooperates with the Bible in meeting the skepticism of any "Darwinian geology and biology", over 700 years before Darwin was born.
Another example of how the Holy Qur'an saves the revelations within the Bible is demonstrated in the story of Noah's Flood.
When seen in the light of modern knowledge, the Biblical description of the Flood as a Whole is unacceptable for the following reasons:
a) The Old Testament describes the Flood as a event which covered the entire world.
b) The Flood of Noah described in the Bible is estimated to a date in which a international Flood could not have occurred
The Sacerdotal narration states quite precisely that the Flood took place when Noah was 600 years old. According to the genealogies in chapter 5 of Genesis.
When we relate this to the age of Adam along with the age of Abraham in the Bible (Genesis 11: 10-32) , we calculate the Flood would be situated in the Twenty-first Twenty-second century B.C.
Knowledge of history during this time period would show it was a time of prosperity with civilizations such as Egyptian's Eleventh Dynasty and Babylonia's Third Dynasty at Ur in which we know for certain there were no breaks in these civilizations. Therefore to make such a claim that everything on earth was destroyed as the Bible claims (Genesis 7:21) is unsupported.
On the other hand, the Qur'an gives general details which do not promote any criticisms from a historical point of view.
In The Qur'an 11:25-49, Sura 71, and 26: 105-115, we see God inflicted on communities guilty of gravely infringing His Commandments. Whereas the Bible describes a universal Flood intended to punish ungodly humanity as a whole.
The Qur'an, in contrast, mentions several punishments inflicted on certain specifically defined communities. This is viewed in 25: 35-39,
"We gave Moses the Scripture and appointed his brother Aaron with him as vizier. We said: Go to the people who have denied Our signs. We destroyed them completely. When the people of Noah denied the Messengers, We drowned them and We made of them a sign for mankind. (We destroyed the tribes) of Ad and Tamud, the companions of Rass and many generations between them. We warned each of them by examples and We annihilated them completely."
Sura 7, verses 59 to 93 contains a reminder of the punishments brought upon Noah's people, the Ad, the Tamud, Lot (Sodom) and Madian respectively.
This is the method of how the Qur'an saves the Bible in the narration of the Flood of Noah, as in the case of Saving the Bible from Darwin, the case of the Flood could also not be verified until centuries after the Prophet Muhammad.
A shepherd from the desert could not know the archaeological history of the world around him to pinpoint or deny of whether or not the entire world was flooded or if it were only certain communities as the Qur'an clarifies.
Also in the Qur'an saves the Bible in the rule given by Jesus (Mt 5:39) But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also"
This basically means that if your enemy strikes or attacks you, you are to allow him or her to attack you without striking back. You are to take the punishment without reacting.
Now if Christians lived by this rule, than all Monotheists would be dead because the pagans despise the concept of One Single God. If the Christians in history allowed themselves to be attacked without retaliating as Jesus ordered, than there would be no Christians left today.
Here again the Qur'an saves the Bible and those who believe in Christ (which includes Muslims) by clarifying that when you are being attacked, it is best to have patience and forgiveness against the attack, But then if the attacks continue, than we are given the permission to retaliate only with the equal amount of force that was used against us.
" And if you take your turn, then retaliate with the like of that with which you were afflicted; But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient." {Holy Qur'an 16:126}
Therefore we are given the permission to repel attacks, to protect ourselves, although God prefers forgiveness.
Thus completing the teachings of Jesus who was sent by God as the Qur'an confirms to the Jews and Pagans to repel these and many more criticisms spoken by scientists and Logical people towards the God of the Bible, all centuries before the criticism was even known.
(I Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is Good."
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"