Peace All
No prophet of God sat in libraries, classrooms or qualified in any academic art. They came blazing with sheer Knowledge and taught it to humankind.
I agree that prophets get express knowledge of scripture direct from Allah. and Allah becomes their teacher but are you trying to say that all of the prophets were 'unlettered' like prophet mohammad(pbuh). ? What is the basis of this assertion?
I agree that prophets get express knowledge of scripture direct from Allah. and Allah becomes their teacher but are you trying to say that all of the prophets were 'unlettered' like prophet mohammad(pbuh). ? What is the basis of this assertion?
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It is a position which Muslims are familiar with. If not all then most prophets were indeed unlettered. Some were lettered, but none were taught by mankind. It sort of defeats the purpose of their authenticity if we claim they had teachers who were from the body of the followers.
How can a student preach to his teacher?
Apart from this I believe many scriptures are silent on the academic development of the prophets. The Bible makes mention of a glancing statement that Jesus (AS) may have studied in the synagogues.
"They (Jesus’ parents) found him (Jesus) in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. Luke 2:46-47"
From here it can be claimed that he (AS) may have been taught, but alternatively he (AS) could be interrogating the teachers rather than learning from them.
His second mission was for a sheep not of that fold. But of the coming era. An era near the end of time. Just as you believe, however, albeit in a different body. Isa (AS) was the manifestation of the Torah and the Injeel and shall be a follower of Qur'an and Sunnah on his arrival. This is our belief and I agree this is where we part ways with the Ahmadiyyah.
just to clarify,
We believe that a follower of prophet mohammad(pbuh) [Quran and Sunnah of course] will be given the title of 'messiah'. Jesus(as) will not return in another form as some people wrongly attribute the concept of re-incarnation to us.
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
No Muslim should be anticipating or "waiting" for Jesus (AS) to return. This is not required in our faith. The message of Islam is loud and clear. We know what we have to do as Muslims. Jesus (AS) is not going to teach Muslims anything, he won't show us how to pray, or fast, or give zakaat. Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) already showed us the path.
Jesus (AS) is going to come and clear his name from Christians and destroy their religion. He will do this and follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) while he is here.
Imam Mahdi will come and unite the Muslim ummah before Jesus (AS).
wow, every single alternate theory is to support the Ahmedi sect, right?
First of all let me tell you one thing very clear that ahmadi/Qadiani/Mirzai is NOT a sect. of Islam.. It is a different relegion.. and Ahmadis are declared non-muslims, becoz of their blasphemous beliefs.. so thats one thing for you to keep in mind..
Secondly yes.. this story is a fabricated and rubbish story.. I dont believe in this, because i am a muslim..
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
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if you're a Muslim, then PLEASE watch your tongue. Don't embarass us Muslims in a public forum! No one has the right to declare someone Muslim or Non-Muslim except Allah, because he is the one and only who can see in our hearts and what we believe, what we do to get his grace.
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
AND THEY ARE BACK :(
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
When exactly is Imam Mahdi going to arrive? Did the Prophet SAW mention an exact date or time? Any signs what he is supposed to look like?
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if you're a Muslim, then PLEASE watch your tongue. Don't embarass us Muslims in a public forum! No one has the right to declare someone Muslim or Non-Muslim except Allah, because he is the one and only who can see in our hearts and what we believe, what we do to get his grace.
dont try to mix oil and water... you can never do that.. not even under extreme pressure. so dont even think about Islam and Qadiyaniyat to be one.
When exactly is Imam Mahdi going to arrive? Did the Prophet SAW mention an exact date or time? Any signs what he is supposed to look like?
Imam Mahdi (AS) as believed by many Muslim scholar was suppose to arrive on the 14th of century. Prophets do not mention exact date or what day it will be, or what exactly will he be wearing etc. Prophets disclose the important events which may be happening at the time of Imam Mahdi (AS)'s arrival. I have discussed that many times here, with no results showing and the debate becomes much more heated. If you genuinely want to inquire about Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, I would like you to just PM me or any Ahmadi Muslim here who you feel possesses the knowledge that you're looking for.
dont try to mix oil and water... you can never do that.. not even under extreme pressure. so dont even think about Islam and Qadiyaniyat to be one.
Dude, Islam is what YOUR 'imaginary' Jesus (when ever He comes) will make it out to be. You will have NO CHOICE but to follow that Jesus of yours! Get ready to be kicked out of the SO CALLED Islam from others who will NOT follow your Jesus! (AS).
Keep believing in fairytale and you'll be known as Muslim. Dont ever try recognizing who you guys are all waiting for, because it'll only take you out of Islam. Watchout!
AND THEY ARE BACK :(
stick on topic or get lost
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
From what i have heard...Jesus would be first recognized by Imam Mehdi...and later on he will be the one who would lead Imam Mehdi's namaz e janazah...? and Imam mehdi will come from Palestine or where ever so wouldn't the both of them be there only? why would he be in India? or even if he did visit he must have for any reason...and also he already knew about Islam so he prayed to Allah to make him from the muslim ummah so that's why when he comes back he'd come back as a Muslim...both these were told to me by my mother otherwise i have no knowledge...can someone tell me or correct me if i am wrong..
AND THEY ARE BACK :(
hahaha...yeah they have removed from infraction...lol\
Dude, Islam is what YOUR 'imaginary' Jesus (when ever He comes) will make it out to be. You will have NO CHOICE but to follow that Jesus of yours! Get ready to be kicked out of the SO CALLED Islam from others who will NOT follow your Jesus! (AS).
Keep believing in fairytale and you'll be known as Muslim. Dont ever try recognizing who you guys are all waiting for, because it'll only take you out of Islam. Watchout!
Well Allah will let you know if you calling the teachings of Islam and Quran as fairytale.. I am not very much surprised to see a Munafiq like you saying this as its not the first time people like you are spitting in this way.
Imam Mahdi (AS) as believed by many Muslim scholar was suppose to arrive on the 14th of century. Prophets do not mention exact date or what day it will be, or what exactly will he be wearing etc. Prophets disclose the important events which may be happening at the time of Imam Mahdi (AS)'s arrival. I have discussed that many times here, with no results showing and the debate becomes much more heated. If you genuinely want to inquire about Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, I would like you to just PM me or any Ahmadi Muslim here who you feel possesses the knowledge that you're looking for.
14th century? lol I guess you still need to learn more.. it was said anytime "after 14th century and "not on" 14th century. khair be in your "fairytale" and your so called self made religion :D
you people cant even explain one single sign that would have been happen when Hazrat Eisa will come and you say that Mirza was so called Eisa? :D lol
it is said when Hazrat Eisa will come Islam will be dominated all over the world. Where is the domination of that Islam when your self proclaimed Mirza showed up?
14th century? lol I guess you still need to learn more.. it was said anytime "after 14th century and "not on" 14th century. khair be in your "fairytale" and your so called self made religion :D
you people cant even explain one single sign that would have been happen when Hazrat Eisa will come and you say that Mirza was so called Eisa? :D lol
it is said when Hazrat Eisa will come Islam will be dominated all over the world. Where is the domination of that Islam when your self proclaimed Mirza showed up?
well you will keep on waiting and no one will descend from heavens, your children and their children will also wait but still no one will descend. And I am sure at the end they ll realise how to differentiate right from wrong.
Your 2nd point....Muslims are obviously suffering for rejecting the rightous Prophet. They will keep on suffering until they accept him AS.
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dont try to mix oil and water... you can never do that.. not even under extreme pressure. so dont even think about Islam and Qadiyaniyat to be one.
I think so! I'm mixing water with water unlike you mixing oil with water. Your mind seems to be under pressure. Shall I keep my family happy and stay sunni/shia/wahabi etc. or shall I accept the truth and create foes, even in my own family...
so, who is mixing oil with water.
by the way, it's an complete different topic we're talking. Not is this stance coming alone from the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, but also from reowned Christian & Hindu scholars. Get your informations instead of throwing complete nonsense and rubbish at others [in this case at me].
There are 72 Branches in Islam which have nothing to do, not even one iota with the beliefs of Muhammad Mustafa (saw) and what he stood for. Infact they started betraying Muhammad Mustafa (saw) and Islam right after his death. What a shame.
You consider people who believe in the Ahadith, but don't believe in the Holy Qur'an as Muslims, then I consider Qadiyanis, Mirzai's or whatever as Muslims. They also pray, fast and pay zakat.
Stop mixing oil with water. Thank You.
Re: Jesus in India (of all the places :) )
:S I still don't get the messiah thing :S anyone wants to explain it to me?