Jerusalem bombing kills 11 While Israeli Army desertions Rise!

The Israeli Defence Force has been hit by a sharp rise in the number of desertions among its troops, according to an army report.

Military police are dealing with at least 40% more deserters than last year, the result of increasing numbers of reservists refusing to perform military service. One report put the increase as high as 67%.

Since the beginning of the intifada in 2000, the army has been forced to call up tens of thousands of reservists every month to conduct operations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

A spokesman for the IDF said yesterday that the rate of desertions had increased massively since the beginning of the intifada. The rate of desertion in 1999 increased by 7%, by 31% in 2000 and by 40% in 2002. He added that the latest figures were still being analysed and refused to give the numbers involved.
Israeli Army desertions Rise!

11 get killed in Jerusalem
A Palestinian bomber blew up on a crowded bus in Jerusalem this morning, killing 11 passengers and wounding dozens. Many schoolchildren were on the bus, officials said. The bomber set off the explosives at about 7.10am local time (0510 GMT) as the bus halted at a stop in Jerusalem’s residential Kiryat Menachem neighbourhood.

The blast blew out the windows of the green city bus. A torso that had fallen over the side of the bus was covered with a white and blue chequered blanket. Debris covered the street and body parts lay on the sidewalk.URL=

Well, let's see.

The labor party elects the most dovish candidate in years, a former general who prefers negociations, and would dismantle settlements, and some yahoo blows up a bus full of school children.

Is it any wonder why Sharon, or worse yet Bebe will be elected?

Bombs!

OG :k:

It is a shame that the palestinian terrorists and their supporters don’t see the failings of their strategy. With each bus bombing, the dream of a palestinian state gets more and more unrealistic.

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Well, let's see.

The labor party elects the most dovish candidate in years, a former general who prefers negociations, and would dismantle settlements, and some yahoo blows up a bus full of school children.

Is it any wonder why Sharon, or worse yet Bebe will be elected?

Bombs!
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Actually it is coz be it Sharon or any other racist scum, the bombs will drop...that can only help Sharon if you think about it.

Now the much praised Palestinian-wipe-out policy of Sharon has failed again...whats next?
How about UN Soldiers?

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Now the much praised Palestinian-wipe-out policy of Sharon has failed again...whats next?

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Looks like it is the much praised Israeli-wipe-out policy of Palestinian extremists (which is also failing).

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Looks like it is the much praised Israeli-wipe-out policy of Palestinian extremists (which is also failing).
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Well If it's failing then how can there be a death count of 11 and just add those in past few months....I thought Palestine was invaded by IDF Solddiers not Israel?! Is that true?

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Well If it's failing then how can there be a death count of 11 and just add those in past few months....I thought Palestine was invaded by IDF Solddiers not Israel?! Is that true?
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I never said the Palestinians were failing at killing Israelis, I am implying that their strategy is not working at gaining them statehood. Yes, it's true the IDF invaded Israel. But that was after the invasion of terrorists into Israel. Is that true?

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I never said the Palestinians were failing at killing Israelis, I am implying that their strategy is not working at gaining them statehood. Yes, it's true the IDF invaded Israel. But that was after the invasion of terrorists into Israel. Is that true?
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I don't see the excuse worth it, if you make borders between the two states (visible) I don't think suicide bombing would be the no 1. cause of death in Israel any more.

Chal, a sane point, coming from u. :k:

You don't see the excuse as worth it. Well, you are not a Jew living in Israel that has to live in fear of getting on a bus, going shopping or reading bedtime stories to your children. Every time Israel initiates a pull out or a peace envoy is en route to the area, more suicide bombings disrupt the process. Is your only suggestion for Israel to complete a full withdrawal? Are any concessions or guarantees necessary from the Palestinians? Or should Israel be satisfied with the prospect of suicide bombings falling to the 2nd leading cause of death instead of the leading cause?

An Israeli paper reports an eight-year-old boy and his grandmother and a 16-year-old boy and his mother are among the dead after a terror attack today on a Jerusalem bus. The militant Islamic group Hamas has claimed responsibility for the bombing, in which a Palestinian suicide bomber killed 11 people and injured 50, including many schoolchildren.

Israel will hit back hard for this. It's time to hunt down Hamas in the Gaza Stripe and anywhere else they hide. Israel has put their forces in check thus far. What the Palestinians don't seem to understand is that Israel hasn't show their military might and could crush all resitance in a matter of days, the civilian casualties would be extraordinary but they have the means to do it.

Israel :nook: :nook: :nook:
Palestine :k: :k: :k:

PALESTINE ALL THE WAY!!! May Allah mian let the righteous win!

Why always invoking Allah into conflicts, does Allah enjoy war?

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Why always invoking Allah into conflicts, does Allah enjoy war?
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Or a better question may be - Is what the Palestinians are doing (blowing up school children) righteous?

Another one I would ask - If invoking Allah works, where was he during the Jewish victories of 1948, 1967 and 1973?

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Or a better question may be - Is what the Palestinians are doing (blowing up school children) righteous?

Another one I would ask - If invoking Allah works, where was he during the Jewish victories of 1948, 1967 and 1973?
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Allah loves the jews my friend. They are after all the chosen people.

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An Israeli paper reports an eight-year-old boy and his grandmother and a 16-year-old boy and his mother are among the dead after a terror attack today on a Jerusalem bus. The militant Islamic group Hamas has claimed responsibility for the bombing, in which a Palestinian suicide bomber killed 11 people and injured 50, including many schoolchildren.

Israel will hit back hard for this. It's time to hunt down Hamas in the Gaza Stripe and anywhere else they hide. Israel has put their forces in check thus far. What the Palestinians don't seem to understand is that Israel hasn't show their military might and could crush all resitance in a matter of days, the civilian casualties would be extraordinary but they have the means to do it.
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And you know exactly how a Palistinian feels one of those who's house being destroyed his family murdered and he himself declared as a terrorist?
I guess Israeli ppl never told their children at bedtime why Hamas and other such groups ever been brought to life. Did they?
They don't have any justified reason for it. You kill you be killed you target civilians with rockets thats fine and if some one does that with your race you feel that as terror?

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Allah loves the jews my friend. They are after all the chosen people.
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If you read quran you will might now the answer.
You need to know the background info that most of you ppl dont have when discussing about ALLAH or Islam.
I can't quote whole of QURAN here but see it's kinda strange that exactly what is happening iin this world right now(disgrace of Islam, etc) is also stated in quran. Quran is more than just an ordinary book my dear.

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And you know exactly how a Palistinian feels one of those who's house being destroyed his family murdered and he himself declared as a terrorist

If the family knew that a member was going to go and kill innocents then they should be arrested rather than having their house destroyed, true.

I guess Israeli ppl never told their children at bedtime why Hamas and other such groups ever been brought to life. Did they?

*While I haven't seen a respectable source that claims Israel supported and help create Hamas let's pretend they did. This still wouldn't justify Hamas killing innocents. And if the Jews created Hamas why do the Palistinians enbrace them? *

They don't have any justified reason for it. You kill you be killed you target civilians with rockets thats fine and if some one does that with your race you feel that as terror?
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It wasn't Israel who declared war or called for the destruction of Arabs. It is Hamas and those that support them that keep war going by calling for the destruction of Israel. It is Arafat who keeps the war going by walking away from a "bad" deal rather than working a new one out, it is those everywhere who support suicide bombers (such as Saddam) that keep the war going.

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It wasn't Israel who declared war or called for the destruction of Arabs. It is Hamas and those that support them that keep war going by calling for the destruction of Israel. It is Arafat who keeps the war going by walking away from a "bad" deal rather than working a new one out, it is those everywhere who support suicide bombers (such as Saddam) that keep the war going.
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U should read a bit abuot history and about sayings of Zionists what they stated in past.....for those who are suicide bombers I dont think the family has any reasons to be locked behind bars.
If your cousin runs mad and kills school children (and it happens normally in America) can you be blamed for it? I guess no.

Now back to Hamas. Israel used Hamas and Islamic Jhiad to split up PLO and split up the Palistinian community in half.
One against one. You kneed sources? www.cia.com I'm pretty sure even the webmaster can give you detailed info about that.

So Arafat is bad and Sharon is an angel. Such sort of idealogy kills diplomacy and most of those who support Israel adopt it.
One thing stated by me before that how long will keep Arafat alive?
Your government should be confronted with this question.

I don't think that just a suicide bomber is to blamed for when rockets fly and kill several others it's called Israel kills.........if it's a Palestinian it becomes a terrorist blasts.

Chal, leave this thread please. :o