Yeh hay Insaf ki chiRyaa ka hal....some one told me that it's all about laws and rules and regulations and social reforms...no wonder, when people see this sort of justice being delivered they get more eager about Shria.
Hashmi’s Conviction:The Nation
PML(N) Acting President Javed Hashmi’s conviction on eight counts of sedition and anti-state activity was not unexpected, but many political observers had hoped that matters would not reach this pass. It is not the time to make an evaluation of the merits of the case. Mr Hashmi’s counsel and the prosecutors will do that before the Lahore High Court, and probably before the Supreme Court in due course. However, the primary importance of the case is political. Mr Hashmi is no backdoor conspirator attempting to foment mutiny among the ranks, holding secret meetings at odd hours in obscure places. The charges against him revolve around the very public, even publicity-seeking, action of holding a press conference. The offence was political, and the response was judicial. The law relied on was a piece of Raj legislation, lasted used by the colonial occupier itself in 1922. The Penal Code that Lord Macaulay crafted was designed almost to make a crime of any activity whatsoever. It is therefore not much of a problem for any government to prepare a case against any politician for any of his actions. The problem is to resist the temptation, and that is where the government probably could not hold itself back.
Mr Hashmi’s real crime perhaps was to be less than respectful of an institution which sees itself as the country’s ultimate saviour, but which others cannot help noticing has four times interrupted the constitutional process. It did not help that Mr Hashmi was very active in the National Assembly in leading the Opposition protests against the Treasury on the LFO issue. Clearly, he was seen by the powers that be as going too far, not over an isolated incident, but as a pattern of behaviour. The net result is that the government has saddled itself with a political prisoner it doesn’t really want. It is not so significant that the Bush Administration’s protest has been muted, but that it has been moved to protest at all. While the government might feel self-assured that it has done nothing beyond the bounds of the law, even its closest ally does not seem to see Mr Hashmi as just another criminal brought to justice.
Mr Hashmi is a respected politician, whose political journey started in his student days, and has passed through many phases. Not only is he PML(N) Acting President, but he is also ARD President. His treatment in this fashion, even for purely partisan reasons, is likely to cause a commotion among a section of public opinion, and create an unfavourable impression of the government. At a time when the nation is faced with unprecedented external challenges, there is a need for conciliation rather than divisive actions. The government should learn from history, and re-examine the results of politically motivated prosecutions which could have been left alone; whether the Agartala Conspiracy Case or the Hyderabad Tribunal. No such prosecution ever strengthened the country, and several weakened it. The government also needs to consider whether, with the Sharifs and Ms Bhutto in exile, and Mr Zardari already having spent seven years in jail, whether it is in its own interest, or even the nation’s, to give the opposition yet another martyr.
Mushy the dictator should be tried for treason under article 6 of the 1973 constitution.
PML(N) hails judiciary if any decision suits em and malign it if some decision does not suit them. What hypocricy.
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Mushy the dictator should be tried for treason under article 6 of the 1973 constitution.
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Haha.. Dictator, Yeah right... He's a million times better then the Shariff Brothers or the Buhtoo Girl... Pakistan will continue to shine under his guidance. We are democratic, Pakistan Zindabad!
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Haha.. Dictator, Yeah right... He's a million times better then the Shariff Brothers or the Buhtoo Girl... Pakistan will continue to shine under his guidance. We are democratic, Pakistan Zindabad!
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Yes, is a dictator. He was never elected.
God! some of the posts up here make me laugh and cry at the same time. i just dont get it...? what kind of ppl inhabit the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. who could help a nation that doesnt know its own good...!?
people are waving flags of justice and democracxy for the very ppl who looted us, raped our country, its political systems, law and order, denied justice to an ordinary pakistani, oppressed the ordinary 'kissan' or the middle class man. borrowed billions os dollars from our banks and had them written off through their influence and power while an ordinary pakistani worked 10 hrs all his life in an office and saved up some and borrowed some from a bank at 10% interest after retirement to build a home and remained paying it off for the rest of his life. these ppl are 'seasoned' professional politicians, their bread and butter is politics, they can sell us all for their gains. is hat all to hard to get!? isnt it time we realize what side is good and what side's bad? whos' good and who's evil!?
Haris,
The same people you describe are in power today. Hint-> Who are in power in Punjab. who are the ministers under Jamali?
On top of that retired Generals are looting the excehquer by the millions.
Musharraf is not God and he has no right to conduct trials in secret. If Hashmi has done something wrong, why not try him in public?
Trust me - Musharraf is going the Zia way.
^yes, those ppl are the ones who are in offices today and that i agree ios the biggest mistake Mush has made. and because of that it is all the more necessary that he stays in power on their heads with asledge hammer. or else...there'e definite doom.
the other big mistake; not going the Zia way...had he gone the Zia way, he would have hanged javed hashmi, he would never have allowed that much freedom of expression or political activity at all!
Haris,
If you think Musharraf staying in power will stop the luteras from looting, you are sorely mistaken. I have no issues with Musharraf personally. He's strong, clean and brave, but he is just one man and he is showing the same power hunger that caused the downfall of other dictators. He has gotten used to a kitchen cabinet and as long as people give him fealty, he allows them to do whatever they want.
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Haris,
If you think Musharraf staying in power will stop the luteras from looting, you are sorely mistaken. I have no issues with Musharraf personally. He's strong, clean and brave, but he is just one man and he is showing the same power hunger that caused the downfall of other dictators. He has gotten used to a kitchen cabinet and as long as people give him fealty, he allows them to do whatever they want.
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Id like you to provide proof for your hipothesis! And unless and untill you do thats exactly what it is your theory!..
BTW: Nice post Haris!
I know Pakistani politicians are a breed apart. Guess who said the following just last week:-
He said he was thrilled by the decision, which he still found “unbelievable” but the fact that it had been made was a tribute to Pakistan’s higher judiciary and the supremacy of the rule of law.
Hashmi, who just publicised a LETTER written to him by some Army chaps, got 23 years in jail; and Abdul Qadeer Khan, who sold nukes to the whole world, gets off with a pardon
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Hashmi, who just publicised a **LETTER* written to him by some Army chaps, got 23 years in jail; and Abdul Qadeer Khan, who sold nukes to the whole world, gets off with a pardon
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Abdul Qadeer Khan did not take actions that could have led to civil war in Pakistan. Hashmi's crime is far worse.
I know that the catchphrase in Pakistan nowadays is Pakistan First, but does the world really matter to such people.
Anyways Khan's action could have led to an attack, if not civil war. (Thanks to Al Qaeda and Taliban and other terrorists suspected of hiding in pakistan that Pakistan is safe and still strategicaly viable state for the US/West).
And my point is that Khan was let loose for virtually nothing (smells some unwanted involvements from PA)
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I know that the catchphrase in Pakistan nowadays is Pakistan First, but does the world really matter to such people.
Anyways Khan's action **could have* led to an attack, if not civil war. (Thanks to Al Qaeda and Taliban and other terrorists suspected of hiding in pakistan that Pakistan is safe and still strategicaly viable state for the US/West).
And my point is that Khan was let loose for virtually nothing (smells some unwanted involvements from PA)
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Khan's actions posed no danger to Pakistan. Whilst his rogue actions are deplorable, the fact is that he did sell the technology for personal benefit to countries that have good defence relationships with Pakistan and hence pose no threat to Pakistan.
Iran is a signitory to a pact with Pakistan to source conventional arms and ammunition from Pakistan. It provided non-combat military assistance to Pakistan during the communist sponsored Baloch insurgency of the early 80s.
Libya is a key defence partner, which for decades has worked towards establishing a close relationship between the Pakistan Air Force and the Libyan air force. In particular, Libya, who's air force shares common equipment with the IAF, has always granted Pakistan free access to these aircraft so that pakistani pilots learn first-hand about Indian equipment.
North Korea is known to have significantly helped guarantee Pakistan's sovereignty and independence through its sharing of the ballistic missile technology that is key to Pakistan's modern defence strategy.
The private sale of nuclear secrets to these countries was an embarassment to Pakistan, but in no way constituted any potential threat to Pakistan.
Trying to persuade army officers that if they'd mutiny against the president, they'd find support from other army officers, DOES constitute a threat to national stability and order.
dhir, the bombs that Dr Khan allegedly 'sold' were not hand grenades that detonate on being thrown once the pin is pulled out. while the letter Mr Hashmi is connected with would have done more damage to pakistan internally than any bomb...
MS,
good responses!
Khan's actions of selling pakistani nuclear technology to foriegn countries posed no danger to pakistan.
Hashmi's publicising of a letter could lead to the demise of pakistan.
Now, I have heard everything! Just when you think the arguments by pro army loyalists cannot get any worse, they hit a new low.
I just don't know to say when words are such a danger to our army. One letter can lead to a civil war, things must be pretty bad in the army then.
MS, do you know what will happen if a nuclear device with the signature of pakistani design goes of somewhere in america? Do you consider this a danger?