Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

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Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

@binAadam

Were the deniers of Prophethood of Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam punished like nations of ‘Aad and Thamood were punished?

Ofcourse! I think you tried to answer the questions before reading my complete response.

@binAadam

Were Pagans of Makkah who didn’t embrace Islam turned to monkeys as Allah punished previous nations?

If not so, then what was the special punishment which were given to the Rejectors of Muhammad’s Nubuwwat?

Please quote from Quran not from Hadith of Agha Ghamidi or your own (no more explanation from your own conjectures).

The Qur’an says that this punishment came through hands of Sahaba in case of Prophet Muhammad.

Fight them and God will punish them with your hands. (9:14)

@binAadam

Did any group of people deny paying Zakaah during the life of Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam?

What is the special verse in Quran that gives Sahabah a special right to punish those who reject Zakaat and that no one after Sahabah can use to do Qitaal of Munkireen of Zakaat?

If any group would deny Zakat in Prophet’s time, he would be handled the same way Abu Bakr (ra) handled rejectors of Zakat. According to Ghamidi, an Islamic government **can ** force its Muslim citizens to pray and pay Zakah. But in case of Abu Bakr (ra), anyone denying Zakat would lose his basic rights as Muslim and would be punishable as other Non-Muslims were liable to be punished.

@binAadam

There are two kinds of punishment. Either the punishment comes from sky as in case 'Aad and Thamud or it can come through hands of believers as in case of Moses (as) and Muhammad (sws).

Was ThilQarnain a Companion of Musa ‘alayhis salam?

If not so then why he punished Disbelievers through Qitaal?

I don’t know how you are combining Zulqarnain (as) with Jihad of Musa (as).

@binAadam

Now using your argument I can say, since the above verse addresses Sahabah only and according to the above verse and all the verses in its context, the Audience is Sahabah, so we as later generations don’t bother to take Masjid al Haraam as our Qiblah, we can turn to Masjid al Aqsa as our Qiblah too in order to show solidarity with our Jewish brothers. Isn’t it a good idea for Agha Ghamdi?

This is because as the above verse says:

And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger

The purpose of appointment of Kaabah as Qiblah was only to see who follows the Messenger s.a.w and this verse is talking to Sahabah only, and we the Muslims of the later generations are already following the Messenger, this verse doesn’t address us, right?

And even this verse is addressing Sahabah:

002.144:We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

This is addressing the Messenger and Sahabah, not us, no?

This is the most weakest argument, I’ve read so far. These were Sahaba who were actually asked to change the Qibla. We are not being asked to change Qibla. Maybe if you want to change Qibla one more time, it is upto you.

@binAadam

02:146:The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.

And today people of the Book don’t know what they knew those days?

Do you have any evidence that they have forgotten now what they remembered during the life of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

I don’t know if you are joking, or you’ve really haven’t understood it. Qur’an is telling that these People of the Book know the truth (about Islam and Prophet Muhammad) just like they know their sons. How can it be applied to modern people. I know first handedly that there are many Christians in western world who donot even know that Muslims consider Muhammad (sws) as prophet or God. I admire at your daring claims.

@binAadam

So in the above verse, by people of the Book, only those Jews and Christians are meant who existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam (or Sahabah)?

Words of the following verse shows clearly that this is a general comment.

Those who believe (i.e. Muslims), and those who are Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:62

Where is the verse of Quran which says that only Sahabah could do Qitaal or punish the Disbelievers?

And where is the verse of Quran which says that only Sahabah could do Itmamul Hujjah and people after them can’t do anything?

I prefer Quran over Hadiths of Ghamidi (his explanations and conjectures).

Mr! You have ignored all of my comments in my previous reply and you are also thinking that a large part of Qur’an which deals with punishments of previous nations was futile.

And I think there is no point in exchanging more fire. We can have different opinions and I think we should try to live with that.