Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

[binAadam]

Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

@landaleav

I’ve told you earlier that there was special punishment for deniers of Prophet Muhammad, just like God has punished all previous nations of Messengers.

Were the deniers of Prophethood of Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam punished like nations of ‘Aad and Thamood were punished?

Were Pagans of Makkah who didn’t embrace Islam turned to monkeys as Allah punished previous nations?

If not so, then what was the special punishment which were given to the Rejectors of Muhammad’s Nubuwwat?

Please quote from Quran not from Hadith of Agha Ghamidi or your own (no more explanation from your own conjectures).

Hence, Abu Bakr fought against those, who lost their rights as Muslims when they didn’t pay Zakah. But now, we can declare someone non-Muslim on the basis, if he/she doesn’t pray or doesn’t pay Zakah. But after Sahaba, this kind of Qatal cannot be done, as I gave example from Qur’an.

Did any group of people deny paying Zakaah during the life of Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam?

What is the special verse in Quran that gives Sahabah a special right to punish those who reject Zakaat and that no one after Sahabah can use to do Qitaal of Munkireen of Zakaat?

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There are two kinds of punishment. Either the punishment comes from sky as in case 'Aad and Thamud or it can come through hands of believers as in case of Moses (as) and Muhammad (sws).

Was ThilQarnain a Companion of Musa ‘alayhis salam?

If not so then why he punished Disbelievers through Qitaal?

Adversaries of both Messengers were punished by their companions. In case of Moses, when people worshiped Golden calf, they were persecuted and Similarly, polytheists of Arabia were asked to convert to Islam or face consequences and others were subjugated as they were atleast claimants of Monotheism. Hence, you completely ignored my point, as punishement can also come through companions of the Prophet. As Qur’an says:

*Fight them and God will punish them with your hands. *9:14

Rest of the hundreds of verses in Quran about Qitaal are all addressing Sahabah?

If not so then what Qitaal means? Celebrating Christmas or holey (ma’athAllah)?

Isn’t Qitaal the punishment to Disbelievers?

Firstly, you are taking the verse out of context. Because the Qur’an is talking about a specific situation in Prophet’s life and the addressees of this verse can only be Sahaba. Secondly, I knew that Prophet was witness infront of Sahaba, but how he (sws) is witness infront of us? this is out of my comprehension. As the Qur’an say:

02:143: Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah’s purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind.

Now using your argument I can say, since the above verse addresses Sahabah only and according to the above verse and all the verses in its context, the Audience is Sahabah, so we as later generations don’t bother to take Masjid al Haraam as our Qiblah, we can turn to Masjid al Aqsa as our Qiblah too in order to show solidarity with our Jewish brothers. Isn’t it a good idea for Agha Ghamdi?

This is because as the above verse says:

And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger

The purpose of appointment of Kaabah as Qiblah was only to see who follows the Messenger s.a.w and this verse is talking to Sahabah only, and we the Muslims of the later generations are already following the Messenger, this verse doesn’t address us, right?

And even this verse is addressing Sahabah:

002.144:We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

This is addressing the Messenger and Sahabah, not us, no?

Those who will and who have denied the Prophet Muhammad with their best knowledge will definitely go to hell. But when we talk about punishment of addressees of Prophet Muhammad in this world, the Qur’an says about “People of book” that how they knew Muhammad (sws):

The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons. 2:146

02:146:The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.

So in the above verse, by people of the Book, only those Jews and Christians are meant who existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhe wasallam (or Sahabah)?

And today people of the Book don’t know what they knew those days?

Do you have any evidence that they have forgotten now what they remembered during the life of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

Those who denied Prophet Muhammad with their best knowledge were punished by Sahaba, but after Sahaba no one can do Itmam al-hujjah hence no one can punish someone for his/her religion and everyone will be judged on the Judgement day according to their knowledge. And God knows best!

Where is the verse of Quran which says that only Sahabah could do Qitaal or punish the Disbelievers?

And where is the verse of Quran which says that only Sahabah could do Itmamul Hujjah and people after them can’t do anything?

I prefer Quran over Hadiths of Ghamidi (his explanations and conjectures).