Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

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Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

@binAadam

Since you yourself have accepted that Abu Bakr radhiyAllahu 'anhu fought those who rejected Zakaah, means Apostates need to be killed by Believers and Ghamidi and his followers who don’t believe in it are outside the fold of Islam. They can be our brothers once again if they repent and enter Islam fully.

I’ve told you earlier that there was special punishment for deniers of Prophet Muhammad, just like God has punished all previous nations of Messengers. Hence, Abu Bakr fought against those, who lost their rights as Muslims when they didn’t pay Zakah. But now, we can declare someone non-Muslim on the basis, if he/she doesn’t pray or doesn’t pay Zakah. But after Sahaba, this kind of Qatal cannot be done, as I gave example from Qur’an.

@binAadam

Well, we can give them (the Rejectors of Deen) those punishments which are prescribed by Quran or which Allah demands us to give to Disbelievers e.g the one I referred to above

There are two kinds of punishment. Either the punishment comes from sky as in case 'Aad and Thamud or it can come through hands of believers as in case of Moses (as) and Muhammad (sws). Adversaries of both Messengers were punished by their companions. In case of Moses, when people worshiped Golden calf, they were persecuted and Similarly, polytheists of Arabia were asked to convert to Islam or face consequences and others were subjugated as they were atleast claimants of Monotheism. Hence, you completely ignored my point, as punishement can also come through companions of the Prophet. As Qur’an says:

Fight them and God will punish them with your hands. (9:14)

@binAadam

There is no traces of Sahabah in the above verse exclusively but it is generally addressing all Believers

Firstly, you are taking the verse out of context. Because the Qur’an is talking about a specific situation in Prophet’s life and the addressees of this verse can only be Sahaba. Secondly, I knew that Prophet was witness infront of Sahaba, but how he (sws) is witness infront of us? this is out of my comprehension. As the Qur’an say:

*And similarly, [O Companions of the Prophet!] We have made you an intermediate group so that you be witnesses [to this religion] before the nations, and the Rasul be such a witness before you. (2:143) *

@binAadam

Well, the verse is talking about Believers, and there are only a few Believers in this world today, most of the so called Muslims today are Munafiqeen, including Kafirs like Ghamidi.

You missed the point which I raised and now I am glad to know that atleast you are a true believer and Ummah is actually consisted of a very few true believers like you and rest of them are Kafir and Munafiqin and also thanks for giving Ghamidi a certificate for hell.

@binAadam

Do I take from this statement of yours that a Muslim Adulterer will always burn in the Hell while a Righteous Mushrik who rejects the Prophethood of Muhammad s.a.w will go to Jannah ultimately?

Those who will and who have denied the Prophet Muhammad with their best knowledge will definitely go to hell. But when we talk about punishment of addressees of Prophet Muhammad in this world, the Qur’an says about “People of book” that how they knew Muhammad (sws):

The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons. 2:146

The punishment was given to direct addressees of Prophet Muhammad as truth was made clear from every possible angle. As at another place Qur’an makes it clear that person’s religion will not save him/her rather there is a merit that will save on Judgement day.

Those who believe (i.e. Muslims), and those who are Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:62

Those who denied Prophet Muhammad with their best knowledge were punished by Sahaba, but after Sahaba no one can do Itmam al-hujjah hence no one can punish someone for his/her religion and everyone will be judged on the Judgement day according to their knowledge. And God knows best!