Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

[binAadam]

Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

@landaleav

A huge part of the Qur’an gives examples from previous nations that how God destroyed previous nations when He sent messengers to them. This was to tell that addressees of Prophet are going to face the same punishment. How can we, who will not receive anymore messengers, give the same punishment according to the Qur’an. (kindly read my complete response before answering)

Well, we can give them (the Rejectors of Deen) those punishments which are prescribed by Quran or which Allah demands us to give to Disbelievers e.g the one I referred to above:

009.029 Fight (Slay) those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Your problem is you Reject Quran and follow your desires and whims; you have a blind faith in a Kafir like Ghamidi but not in the words of Allah (Quran).

The verse you mentioned is addressing to Sahaba. They were witnessess to the whole world just like Prophet was witness infront of them. As Qur’an says:

And similarly, [O Companions of the Prophet!] We have made you an intermediate group so that you be witnesses [to this religion] before the nations, and the Rasulbe such a witness before you. (2:143)

Because of Rejecting Quran, Ghamidi and his followers make an Ass of themselves, I have seen this a lot of times that those who Reject clear signs of Allah for the sake of money or fitnah, they talk nonsense, they want Jews and Christians their friends, because if they talk about Qitaal and killing the Apostates they will be opposing Christian and Jewish missionaries.

The verse 2:143 is very clear in its meanings:

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلاَّ لِنَعْلَمَ مَن يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّن يَنقَلِبُ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ وَإِن كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلاَّ عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللّهُ وَمَا كَانَ اللّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَؤُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ

002.143 Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.

There is no traces of Sahabah in the above verse exclusively but it is generally addressing all Believers, even if we suppose the above verse is addressing Companions of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w only then it will prove following points:

1. Quran and its ahkaam were descent for Sahabah only or mostly so we need another Divine Book and another Messenger for the present time; why should we depend on Ijtihaad while there are a 100 schools of Ijtihaad today including one of Ghamidi. A Messenger unites people on one faith but these schools are dividing people into a number of factions or sects.

2. If only Sahabah were the witness because the verse is addressing the change of Qibla then Sahabah are not living today, so who is going to be a Witness over today’s Mushrikeen and Kuffar and all the nations?

This is exaplained in another verse as well where it is said that Sahaba were chosen people just like God chooses prophets from the whole humanity. As Qur’an says:

He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the religion of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this [Qur’an]: [He chose you so that] the Messenger may be a witness [of this religion] to you, and you be witnesses of this religion to non-Muslims [of your times]. (22:78)

It needs some common sense man:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ارْكَعُوا وَاسْجُدُوا وَاعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمْ وَافْعَلُوا الْخَيْرَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ

022.077 O ye who believe! bow down, prostrate yourselves, and adore your Lord; and do good; that ye may prosper.

So 022:77 is addresseing the People of Faith, right? And not only Sahabah are the people of Faith.

Now read 022:78 which is the continuation of 022:77:

[RIGHT]وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ
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022.078 And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Apostle may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!

If you take the meaning of above verse in order to apply on all Muslims, you would imply that every Muslim in Muslim nation is a chosen person, which is wrong as well otherwise we won’t be suffering today because of our own deeds.

Well, the verse is talking about Believers, and there are only a few Believers in this world today, most of the so called Muslims today are Munafiqeen, including Kafirs like Ghamidi.

As I mentioned earlier, punishments given to rejectors of Messengers can only be given to rejectors of Messengers, not after him as no one can do Itmam-al hujjah anymore.

And what about Quran. Is it a toy in your hands to play with? All ahkaam in Quran are only for you to mock at?

But punishment of adultery will always remain as this is a universal crime and will always be a crime. I hope that this will clear the misconception. Cheers!

SubhaanAllah!
Adultery is a crime and Rejection of the Prophethood of Muhammad is not.
Do I take from this statement of yours that a Muslim Adulterer will always burn in the Hell while a Righteous Mushrik who rejects the Prophethood of Muhammad s.a.w will go to Jannah ultimately?