Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

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Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

@usmanshahid

he just say never admit when you give him prove
that shows the difference in his wording and acts

He has said it many many times in his lectures. You need to listen to his lectures more often. His thoughts have evolved alot, and I am also a witness of this thing, that at one time he thought this perspective is correct, but when he saw someother evidence, he adopted another opinion. And if you aware with our four Imam, and if you read their books which were written in their early career and books which were written in their later career, they have a lot of differences. And this shows that a person is ready to understand any thing which is coming his way. But because Ghamidi is a human, it doesn’t suit me to put a case on the honesty of someone. As only God knows about everyone’s heart.

@usmanshahid

what the prove that Encyclopedia is authentic
inshallah i will try to get and read

if you have to give any authentic proof for religion bring it from Quran o Hadees otherwise that is not authentic
if you write this, how should i say that you are saying correct

How can I prove Imam Shafi’is personal opinion from Qur’an o hadith

@usmanshahid

when i have said
but when you try to misquote the ayat and sunnah
then you will be against the prophet pbuh saying

i am talking about Islam and you are talking about pervaziat
i dam care about sunni Madhab
i am just muslim and talking about islam

and you and ghamdi are trying to implement Pervaziat on Islam
and we will inshallah resist till the last drop of our blood

inshallah islam will always remain till judgement , start from Hazrat Adam and end at day of judgement and you people are trying to call pervazi madhab , a islam, and we will inshallah resist and show people that how wrong are you and whats are your aims, as it is obivios

These are nothing but your own personal thoughts.

@usmanshahid

for example but you don’t have any example
that is sunnah and hazoor PBUh havn’t done himself
lame excuse
every sunnah is acted by Hazoor PBUH himself

do i have said that i reject that hadees
do i , bring out my words
you lame excuser

check out the siaqo sabaq of that hadees
you will surely understand that was the time when Hazoor PBUH have told to muslims not to right his words because at that time muslim were unable to distinguish between Quran and sunnah

and after time he openly ordered to write because his tounge never utter any wrong

to understand ahadees , you have to see all ahadees at the same time
understanding ahadees is much more complex than Quran
but you enimes of islam can’t understand because according to Quran your hearts have been locked

If Ghamidi would say such a thing, he will be Sheetan and when you will say something, that is perfect truth Your argument of prohibition of writing hadith at one time is correct but it is irrelevant to prophet Muhammad’s saying in which he declared himself fallible in worldly affairs. There are many stories I can quote. For example, once there were some people who were pollinating date trees and prophet asked them not to do it, and when they didn’t do it, next season they got less fruit. When this case was put in front of prophet, prophet told clearly that in religion if I say something, take it but in worldly affairs you know more than me. Similarly, at many many instance people use to ask prophet that if this is his personal thought or as a prophet. And when he use to say that this is my personal thought, people sometime don’t use to follow him. For example, when Muslim army went into the battle of Badr, and prophet stopped at a well, a Sahabi asked the same question and when prophet told that this is his personal choice then Sahabi asked to go for a better place. You are accusing others of scewing hadith literature, please ask someone knowledgeable about these hadith before arguing further.

@usmanshahid

i am telling that thoes are the words of scholars against which you always utter words of disgrace.
go and check out their work and then check that with Ghamdi

you will clearly see how much sheatan he is

Again, this is your imagination. Ghamidi respects all Islamic scholars and considers them his teacher. And having a difference in opinion and scholarly criticism is not censure, otherwise you’ll make Imam Shafi’ Sheetan for Imam Abu Hanifa for example, as these Imams do disagree in varying faculties. And I think scholarly criticism is always healthy.