I know there are alot of jadu threads on here…so i thought this might be of interest to some people…
Did anyone watch the show?
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Peace alishaht,
what is special in this show?
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I have read quite a few threads that people posted in different section about black magic and all.. this show seem to give out alot of information on what it is, how its done and you can get rid of it...so i thought i would post here in case anyone is interested. Also there is discussion about jinns.
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Peace alishaht,
So far what information you got? Would u like to share. :)
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I was thinking to start same topic about this show..
Lk bhai I think OP wants to discuss that how many people are agree with this show..
I saw all episode ..like..Rooh and jaddu and khuwab ..
I was very confuse in Rooh wala episode..coz some said Rooh is Hamzad some said Hamzad is nafs and yet few other said Hamzad is shaitan 
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Peace kinzz,
I’ll open some threads on it as well as discuss here too.
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Peace,
In various hadiths the words 'charm', 'sorcersy', 'magician', 'bewitch' any many other related to it are mentioned but I never came across the 'Bad-soul' (bdrooh). Black magic (kala-jadoo) and Noori Ilam do exist. Chapter 2 verse 102 is related to this.
One can learn these but he/she will be out from the circule of Islam and will enter in the cirule of evil (shaitan), meas he/she will be considered as 'infidel'.
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^ Peace LKK,
You again mentioned 2:102. in another thread, you said that Haroot and maroot were good men of knowledge. pls let me understand this. They were good but they taught something that is inherently bad as implied by your above statement. so why this apparent paradox?
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JAADU means FRAIB=deception. In the quran word SEHR is used which is from root SEEN, HAY, RAA. It means turning something into something else. For example, dawn is also called SEHR because it means turning of night into day. Likewise opponents of prophets claim the prophets are using sehr against them. What does that mean? To understand exactly what it means one has to know the fact that there is a permanent struggle between what people believe and follow all by themselves and what Allah has revealed for them to follow. The prophets explain things from the stand point of divine revelations in context of realities of real world and the people explain things the way they fancy things. Each side accuses the other for turning their truth in to falsehood.
However the difference is that make beliefs are mere flights of fancies whereas divine truth is based upon proof that can be tested as explained in the quran. In 2/102 etc, we have a situation where some people conspire against the divine kingdom that was set up by prophet solomon in order to bring it down. The question we need to ask ourselves is, how do you conspire against a state to bring it down? The opponents plan a course of action and they follow it through and that is how they bring the kingdom down if they succeed. They attack person of prophet solomon ie they attribute teachings to him that he did not teach just like today people attribute false concepts to the quran and the hadith or Allah and rasool.
The same happened after the final messenger that no sooner he passed away that people turned back to imperialism and then turned islam in to a religion instead of deen. So the divine kingdom that was established by the final messenger was brought down through similar conspiracies. If we read the quran that is how Iblees brought down divine kingdom that was set up by prophet Aadam. Each time a people bring down divine kingdom by replacing it with their own ideological base after a time the results of doing that start appearing and over a period of time things get bad to worse and then people who end up in painful suffering begin to think for changing the ruling system back to something that could help them remove this painful suffering. The while divine messengers were still coming one rose and guided people back to what they were supposed to follow eg noah, abraham etc etc. The quran only names a couple of dozen messengers but there were a lot more as is obvious from the quran itself.
The same tug of war continues even today ie ideological war is still going on full speed ahead. Islam v kufar. As I explained in my other posts, islam is just a goal set by God for humanity to accomplish for its own good. The quran is book of house rules and rights and responsibilities so those who will base their society on this manifesto and constitution will have a world that is like a paradise on earth but those who do as they like will suffer the consequences as explained very clearly in the quran.
It is because we follow mullahs we do not read the quran ourselves to see what it really says in it. It is good idea to study the quran word for word and concept by concept and context by context otherwise we are just wasting our lives in going in the wrong directions and that is magic of mullahs that they managed to take us in their set out directions for us. May be it is not yet time for people to realise such things they need to suffer a lot more yet before they decide enough is enough.
There is no such thing as magic as a supernatural evil power as mullahs and aamil will have us believe. Only ignorant people get fooled by such nonsense and the quran is perfect book to save us from our ignorance about things.
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JAADU means FRAIB=deception. In the quran word SEHR is used which is from root SEEN, HAY, RAA. It means turning something into something else. For example,** dawn is also called SEHR **because it means turning of night into day.
I stopped reading after this and can't believe on the authenticity of anything you put forward now. If you do not know the difference between SEHR and SAHR then, you do not know zilch.
Lot of these problems are due to lack of arabic knowledge and the fact that many of the so-called new day scholars are not the people of the knowledge anymore. If a scholar infers on Quranic and arabic terms based on URDU/FARSI , then, it is the most sadful thing and validate the prophecy of the Prophet (SAW) about the signs of the day of judgement.
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I stopped reading after this and can't believe on the authenticity of anything you put forward now. If you do not know the difference between SEHR and SAHR then, you do not know zilch.
Lot of these problems are due to lack of arabic knowledge and the fact that many of the so-called new day scholars are not the people of the knowledge anymore. If a scholar infers on Quranic and arabic terms based on URDU/FARSI , then, it is the most sadful thing and validate the prophecy of the Prophet (SAW) about the signs of the day of judgement.
Thank you dear jinx for catching me out but could you please be kind enough to explain the difference just for my education. I will read what you write even if I do not understand it.
Thanks in advance.
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Thank you dear jinx for catching me out but could you please be kind enough to explain the difference just for my education. I will read what you write even if I do not understand it.
Thanks in advance.
The word for dawn is Sahr with a sign of fatha on the letter Seen.
The word for magic is Sehr with a sign of kasrah under the letter Seen.
Two different words altogether.
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Thank you dear Jinx for making the effort. This is not how arabic language works because it is root based language. Most of its roots are three letter words that can have many derivatives to express various grammatical constructions. Each root has some meanings attached to it due to its function that are present in all its variations. In other words there is reason behind a root being given a certain meaning and because we know the reason therefore we can apply that word to any situation when that reason is present. It is a bit difficult concept to understand because it is unusual.
Here are a couple of videos of hassan nisar with professor yaasir to help you understand how meanings are derived in arabic language for the words.
This is why sahr and sehr or sihr or suhoor or saahir or sahaar or saahiroon etc etc makes no difference in basic meanings. Take word jinn for example. The root is jeem, noon and noon. This root has meaning of something hidden from view because something has covered it up. jannah means garden but the root is same and garden is called garden because it hides the ground by covering it up by greenery or vegetation or plantation. jinn is derived from same root but it means expert or skilled person, why? because the expert is a person who is master of his field, his expertise covers the field in which one is expert. the same word means influential person why? because he too is on top of all those who are under his influence. This should help explain how arabic works when it comes to driving meanings of its roots.
Farsi is also influenced by arabic and yes urdu is also influence by farsi. Arabic is a very special language because no other language has the ability to express exact meanings of arabic words. This is why translation of the quran is impossible. What we have is just approximations as per translators own concepts of islam ie translations are just creed based interpretations.
The other problem comes from the quran itself because the quran is not written in an ordinary prose or poetry but its sentences are constructed in a way that they convey parallel meanings. This is a unique use of language not to be found in any existing book. It is therefore impossible for people to write a book like this. For example, we have verses in the quran that convey biological, psychological and sociological message all by one and the same sentence. Then there is interactive structure of text ie words are deliberately left out for reader to fill in to complete connections between words and concepts and contexts. This is to ensures that reader just does not read it like a story but thinks it out as one reads on to see how it all makes sense.
It is lack of such like understanding of the quran in our mullahs that kept them confused about the message in the quran. Once the message was derailed centuries back it was kept that way by our later generations but that is another story which was told by sir syed, farahi, allaama iqbal etc etc.
I hope you find this helpful.
regards and all the best.
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Mughal1, I still disagree with your statment that "dawn is also called SEHR". It is NOT! Is is called Sahr because sehr is used for magic.
You just do not and can not go and justify substituting one usage of word with other just because the root word is same and the applied/basic meanings are one. That will make the meaning of a sentence totally different than what is intended. Therfore, this kind of post-mortem that changes the actual implied meaning to something different is dangerous and can cause to effect the faith.
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Yes dear Jinx in arabic dawn is also called sahr. Please see 54/34 in the quran.
Compared Translations of the meaning of the Quran - 54:34
You are absolutely right that due to different meanings of a word confusion can occur but if the context is clear from the rest of text then confusion does not occur.
Root SHR not only has meanings I already stated but it also has various other meanings.
The fact is an arabic root can have dozens of meanings not just one or two. Many of them have opposite meanings as well which is even more confusing for a person not familiar with basics of this language.
I hope I helped, regards and all the best.
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Peace kchughtai,
Reason for referring to that particular verse is that many scholar said that one who learn magic or believe in foreteller (soothsayer) he disbelieved what Almighty Allah revealed to Prophet Muhammad 
Both angels warned peoples that we are only trial so don’t fall in disbelief.
The Holy Qur’an says that they didn’t taught magic but they said we are trial for you. Abu Jafar Ar-Razi narrates from Ar-Rabi bin Ansa who narrated from Qays bin Abbad who said that Ibn Abbas said: ‘When someone came to the angels (Haroon & Maroot) to learn magic, they would discourage him and say to him, we are only a test so do not fall into disbelief’.
They had knowledge of what is good and evil and what constitutes belief or disbelief, and they thus knew that magic is a form of disbelief.
When the person who come to learn magic still insisted on learing it, they commanded him to go to such and such place, where if he went, Satan would meet him and teach him magic.
When this man learn magic, the light (of faith) would depart him, and he would see it shining (and flying away) in the sky. He would then proclaim, 'O my sorrow! Woe unto me! What should I do."
(Reference: Tafsir Ibn Katheer)
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^ Peace LKK,
If you read your above statement, you can find obvious contradictions. let me give you an example. Haris is a very pious, saintly person and has dedicated his life for the guidance of his people. His main emphasis is highlighting pickpocketing. He tells his people that 'art of pickpocketing' is evil. if you learn it and practice it, you will be regraded as strayed away from the right path. but if you insist, you can learn it and I can even guide you to a good 'ustad'.
when prophets/messengers came for the guidance of mankind, they showed them the right path, the difference between the right and wrong etc and then it was up to the people to accept or reject their message. The prophets were not in anyway helping , guiding them to the wrong path directly or indirectly.
I think message in the verse is not that simple that could be understood superficially. We need to go a bit deeper as you have tried to get to the gist of this verse.
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Peace kchughtai,
They were angels not prophet nor messenger, Moreover they were there for trial.
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Masdar Sehr and its derivatives can be used in following meanings:
1) Something that has a source that is 'lateef', hidden or difficult to understand
2) Presenting falsehood as truth
3) Deception
4) Make someone deviate ..
5) 'Mulamah Sazi' i.e., plating
Sahar (dawn) is different from Sehr.
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Masdar Sehr and its derivatives can be used in following meanings:
1) Something that has a source that is 'lateef', hidden or difficult to understand
2) Presenting falsehood as truth
3) Deception
4) Make someone deviate ..
5) 'Mulamah Sazi' i.e., plating
Sahar (dawn) is different from Sehr.
Thank you dear kchughtai for sharing but I would like you to see
ARABIC-ENGLISH
DICTIONARY OF QUR’ANIC USAGE
BY
ELSAID M. BADAWI
MUHAMMAD ABDEL HALEEM
HANDBOOK OF ORIENTAL STUDIES
HANDBUCH DER ORIENTALISTIK
SECTION ONE
THE NEAR AND MIDDLE EAST
EDITED BY
H. ALTENMÜLLER • B. HROUDA • B.A. LEVINE • R.S. O’FAHEY
K.R. VEENHOF • C.H.M. VERSTEEGH
VOLUME EIGHTY-FIVE
page 425
under SEEN, HAY and RAA
ISSN: 0169-9423
ISBN: 978 90 04 14948 9
Copyright 2008 by Koninklijke Brill NV, Leiden, The Netherlands
one can also see word malaaikah on page 893 under root MLK=meem, lam and kaaf.
In urdu, firozullughaat jaame by molvi firoz uddin, pub 1983, it is stated that both words sehr and sahar are of artabic origin and as I stated above the arabic dictionary clearly states the root of both is one and the same and there are various meanings attached to this very same root.
regards and all the best.