J-10 Fighter Officially Declassified / Pakistan Negotiating

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@LuxuryItem

Who cares about the intake, look at the frame.Chinese are clever, they knew they'd fool people like you making the intake rect instead of ...

I think you should, since you said something along the lines of "if you take off the frontal fins, J-10 looks exactly like an F-16".

[LuxuryItem]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I think you should, since you said something along the lines of "if you take off the frontal fins, J-10 looks exactly like an F-16".

I don't look at the intake. I look at the frame.

Do you look at car's exhaust? I don't. I look at the frame. Look at the frame bacha and eat ice cream.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@LuxuryItem

don't get excited. This is a plane that may never see any 'action' unless Taiwan decides to secede. Even if that happens, US joint strike fighter and other planes will be picking off j10 like nobody's business.

What if this plane is sold & exported to Zimbabwe?

@LuxuryItem

Even if Chinese have a war with En-diya (which is highly unlikely), those Su30-MKIs will shoot down those j10s before they take off.

How does IAF plan to hide the Su-30MKI's humongous RCS when faced against a J-10?

And please explain to me how Indian Su-30's will shoot J-10, if J-10 takes off from Chengdu, and the nearest Indian airbase is over a 1000km away?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@LuxuryItem

I don’t look at the intake. I look at the frame.

Well then that is your problem. Don’t tell us that two (whole) different planes look the same, by looking at only one part of the air craft.

And by the way, J-10 uses semi-delta wing design - F-16 doesn’t. So there goes your theory of both planes having the same frame :halo:

[LuxuryItem]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

What if this plane is sold & exported to Zimbabwe?

zimboos can afford those planes? Chinese are keeping the specs a top secret and they'll sell the planes to Zimboos? What have you been smoking cheetay? What if what if what if? What if you are banned from posting such silly posts and asked to do your homework by your parnets. Ever thought of that? How are you doign in school? Hain?

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How does IAF plan to hide the Su-30MKI's humongous RCS when faced against a J-10?

And please explain to me how Indian Su-30's will shoot J-10, if J-10 takes off from Chengdu, and the nearest Indian airbase is over a 1000km away?
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That's not what I said. Read my post again. As I said, don't get excited over these tinker toys. There are better things in this world! Chalo, go do your homework, shabaash!

[Kaka_MaNNa]

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Okay, I think this Indian has a *pakora (lca ka naam tha jis par ) *stuck in his throat from last night’s curry.

Why does it matter what the plane looks like?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@LuxuryItem

zimboos can afford those planes? Chinese are keeping the specs a top secret and they'll sell the planes to Zimboos? What have you been smoking cheetay? What if what if what if? What if you are banned from posting such silly posts and asked to do your homework by your parnets. Ever thought of that? How are you doign in school? Hain?

Zimbabwe is just an example - if they are willing to buy Jf-17, then why not J-10 - As for affording the air craft.. do you know what the price tag is?
Keeping specs secret does not mean they won't sell it to anyone. CAC clearly said, as shown in the last paragraph of the article, that they are keen on exporting it.

@LuxuryItem

That's not what I said. Read my post again.

That is exactly what you said:

@LuxuryItem

Even if Chinese have a war with En-diya (which is highly unlikely), those Su30-MKIs will shoot down those j10s before they take off.

I think you have memory loss, maybe?

@LuxuryItem

As I said, don't get excited over these tinker toys. There are better things in this world! Chalo, go do your homework, shabaash!

I know this small-talk is the only thing you can add to lengthen your useless replies, but lets cut the shiet, okay?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Jaan Leva

Okay, I think this Indian has a *pakora (lca ka naam tha jis par ) *stuck in his throat from last night’s curry.

Why does it matter what the plane looks like?

He is just trying to have everyone believe that J-10 is an exact copy of an F-16, minus the canards.

[Kaka_MaNNa]

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...and then claim the same BS that every indian and anti-pakistani ***head claims, "*oh and that F-16 know-how came from pakistan because pakistan gave F-16 fighter to china..." even though there is no evidence to support such absurd claims OTHER THAN articles written by their own people in dim dark office cubicle somewhere!

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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Exactly!

[LuxuryItem]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I know this small-talk is the only thing you can add to lengthen your useless replies, but lets cut the shiet, okay?

You are making no sense and contradicting yourself left and right. Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Go read what I wrote and THINK before posting your nonsense.

Did you do your homework? Do your parents know that you are posting so late at night and not doing your homework?

achay bachay first homework kartay haiN. Chalo Shabaash, do your homework.

[TheRealDeal]

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@Jaan Leva

...and then claim the same BS that every indian and anti-pakistani ***head claims, "*oh and that F-16 know-how came from pakistan because pakistan gave F-16 fighter to china..." even though there is no evidence to support such absurd claims OTHER THAN articles written by their own people in dim dark office cubicle somewhere!

LahoreKC- you and Jaan Leva have found out what many others have commented on,- 'CheapItems' pea brain sized thoughts....and you guy's won't be the last.

[LuxuryItem]

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^

You are still burning from the boot-oh thread?

These kids are playing fauji on the internet and you think they know what they are talking about. Boot-oh jiyalay.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@LuxuryItem

You are making no sense and contradicting yourself left and right. Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Go read what I wrote and THINK before posting your nonsense.

Did you do your homework? Do your parents know that you are posting so late at night and not doing your homework?

achay bachay first homework kartay haiN. Chalo Shabaash, do your homework.

You’ve lost your argument about J-10 (minus the canards) looking exactly like an F-16, hence you are resorting to irrelevant discussions which have nothing to do with the topic.

I am retiring off the topic, (unless somebody else wants to discuss something relevant or) unless you post something credible which is contradictory to the following parts of my previous posts:

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

And by the way,** J-10 uses semi-delta wing design - F-16 doesn’t**. So there goes your theory of both planes having the same frame :halo:

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Even the intakes? Elaborate please!

I didn’t know J-10 had horizontal rear stabilizers (like the F-16)?

Even the main wing-frame of the planes use different designs.

Get your eyesight checked buddy.

Lets see if you can actually answer these questions, or if you resort to your usual useless small-talk.

[ssingh]

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@Jaan Leva

Okay, I think this Indian has a *pakora *

He is not an indian. He is a pakistani dead against india!

[Haris]

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All of you guys, please sober up and have a proper discussion. What's the need of getting at each ohers' necks over discussing a fighter plane? There are many other sober ways to have such discussions in a positive way, through which everyone can learn something and add value to these pages! Please be constrcuctive and share your knowledge like knowledgible people, which you all probabaly are. Thanks!

[zxcvb]

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We will have to see the future performance of the J10 in order to judge it's capability against the russian and american planes.

[LuxuryItem]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I am retiring off the topic,

Shabaash. You should do your homework and study hard instead of playing chota sa sipaahi on the web especially things you know nothing about.

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Lets see if you can actually answer these questions, or if you resort to your usual useless small-talk.
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I answered all your questions but you want to play chota sa sipaahi. Daikho baita, only time you'll get close enough to a j10 is when you are soundly asleep and dreaming sweet dreams AFTER a long, hard day of studying.

Chalo, ab monh dho aur seedhay ghar jao.

[Abdali]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

J-10 Fighter Officially Declassified
(29 December 2006)

The Chinese state-run media made the first official disclosure of the new-generation indigenous Jian-10 (J-10) fighter aircraft on 29 December 2006, stating that the aircraft had already entered operational service with the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). The reports were the first official recognition of this top-secret project which first began in the late 1980s. The declassification of the J-10 fighter may also suggest that the aircraft would soon become available for export market.

The official government press agency Xinhua News Agency reported on 29 December that the Chinese air force is now equipped with the new-generation J-10 fighter. The report, which cited sources within the PLAAF, indicated that “(PLAAF’s) overall battle effectiveness has been noticeably enhanced after being equipped with the aircraft and through intensive drills and training”.

Xinhua also reported that the J-10 fighter is capable of launching precision strike weapons and conducting long-distance offensive operations. According to the report, the PLAAF unit equipped with the J-10 fighter had already reached the initial operational capability (IOC).

China Central Television (CCTV) also broadcasted TV footages of the J-10 fighter on 29 December, including the aircraft launching air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, and receiving aerial refuelling from a H-6 tanker.

The J-10 fighter project had remained highly classified since it commenced in the late 1980s. For nearly a decade, photos of this top-secret project have regularly appeared on Internet forums around the world. However, the project was not allowed to be publicised until recently, mainly due to security concerns. It was widely speculated that the much-anticipated J-10 would be revealed in the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show held in November, but the debut was cancelled in the last minute for unknown reason.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAC) is reportedly keen to market the J-10 fighter worldwide as a cheaper next-generation fighter. Many third-world countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa may find it an ideal alternative to the expensive high-performance fighters made by US, Europe, and Russia. Pakistan is reportedly in negotiation with China to purchase up to fifty J-10 fighters.

Excerpt from

US Airforces Magazine

http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2006/0706watch.asp

DOD seemed to offer a re-assessment of the capabilities of China’s F-10 fighter, which it previously had compared to the F-16 Block 30. (See “Washington Watch: Chinese Military Is Catching Up—Fast,” September 2005, p. 12.)

** In this latest version of the annual China report, the Pentagon said the F-10 is probably more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale, considered among the top three fighters in the world today, after the US F-22A. The Pentagon expects more than 1,200 F-10s will be built, and improved versions—the F-10A and “Super-10”—are in advanced development. **

[Lajawab]

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@LuxuryItem

If you remove the front fins (or whatever they are called by the aviation peeps), the plane looks exactly like an F-16.

Why aren’t Pakistanis investing in SU30-MKIs? It really sucks to be cut off from the suppliers and manufacturers by your enemies! Soviets are not sharing their latest-and-greatest tech with Pakistan and neither are Chinese.

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