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You are right. But then, from amongst Pakistani politicians, considering someone corrupt, looter and murderer are based on perception.
Whatever! But the things you wrote in that post are very shameful and do conform with your "scholarly and lengthy" postings here.
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Whatever! But the things you wrote in that post are very shameful and do conform with your "scholarly and lengthy" postings here.
What a pathetic thing to say without thinking. What I wrote is not indecent neither shameful, rather they are all facts based on confessions.
What you and many write throughout the forum in many posts calling people corrupt, looter, murderer and whatever is really shameful because all what you all write are based on propaganda and perception created by media and government agencies.
Anyhow, even if what I wrote was based on perception (something I did not) still what is shameful depends on your values. If you think calling someone murderer, looter, corrupt (Rashi), etc is not shameful and being womaniser and gambler is shameful than that only shows your values.
For me, gambling and womanising is sin between Allah and human that may get forgiven by Allah, but being murderer, looter and corrupts would certainly go to hell (even Allah do not forgive such people).
Anyhow, if for you, being gambler and womaniser is such shameful (which it is to me and that is why I mentioned) then why don’t you ask those who support such person known as womaniser and gambler as their leader, that how can they support such shame?
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We would have a per capita GDP of at least that of China if corruption was a perception only. We wouldn't really need an NRO, would we? This has to be one of the most idiotic arguments that I have come across on GS.
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YaZdi, you have started a sticky thread by mentioning a post from just one person?!
That's getting personal. Just because he ridiculed your favorite Personality doesn't mean that you ostracize him through such abuse of power.
Well, happy moderating. :)
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YaZdi, you have started a sticky thread by mentioning a post from just one person?! That's getting personal. Just because he ridiculed your favorite Personality doesn't mean that you ostracize him through such abuse of power.
Well, happy moderating. :)
I having nothing against Saleem. He is my fellow countryman who wants to see a change in our motherland for something positive. How as a nation we can come out of this mess.. we may differ on the course. I have not doubt on his intentions.. his patriotism.. his love for the country. Although we differ mostly in the opinions we carry, over the years I have learnt a lot from his posts in this forum.
Personally I do not believe in following personalities in totality. I agree/disagree with individual actions and do not believe in absolute good or absolute evil. I have appreciated in the past the stance of Altaf Hussain when his party was the only one to stand in the parliament against giving in to Sufi Mohammed. I have criticized IK fiercely when he glorified suicide bombers in Peshawar, you can easily check my posting record. Saleem and I both carry our natural biases, but eventually both of us are a member of same nation who want to see our country progress. He is an MQM supporter.. I may disagree with some of their actions.. but I am one person who does not question their patriotism like many in this forum..
As I told you I am a poster in this forum first and a moderator later. you can not imagine the power of this forum at present. We carry a huge influence today amongst the opinion makers in Pakistan as well as abroad.. and believe me with the quality of discussions we have in this forum.. we change a lot of stances. Our forums are regularly followed by a lot of very important people in media, politics, and general public. 90% of the people who visit our forums regularly to see what is being posted here do not actually post here.
Over the years while I have been acting as a moderator here I have tried to create an awareness amongst the posters to raise the level of discussion to a more matured level. i was actually busy for two days, and did not follow the forum during this time. I told you I don't like to be a policeman here.. I don't like giving warnings/infractions.. and would like to see posters behaving responsibly. I was actually disappointed to see what happened here in those two days.. and the level of discussions went to a very low standard to an extent of some very cheap comments. This particular post really disappointed me not because this was against Sherry or Imran.. but to a standard which is not at all appropriate for our forum. I am sure a vast majority of our posters were also disappointed to see these kind of posts irrespective of their liking or disliking for both these individuals.
Bottom line is, the point I wanted to make was not to defend IK or Sherry. It was about the quality of posts, the atmosphere in these forums.. You have all contributed to the present standards of GS.. should we just let it go down the drain while we are expressing our political disagreements..!!!
And please khoji.. do not think for a moment I do not appreciate you comments/criticism.. In fact you taking out time to post in this thread is something i really appreciate. i do not want to be modertor who does not communicate with you guys.. and just become a dictator here. i am making an effort to listen to your comments.. and even change myself if I am doing something wrong here. We made an effort to experiment a little hands off moderation in October.. I made a sticky thread even at that time to have your opinions.. the feed back I have from most of the posters here is that they do not want to lose the quality standard of GS... which makes it different from other forums..
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YaZdi, you have started a sticky thread by mentioning a post from just one person?! That's getting personal. Just because he ridiculed your favorite Personality doesn't mean that you ostracize him through such abuse of power.
Well, happy moderating. :)
Khoji thanks for noticing. But then Yazdi believes on Pakistani system where one can do all the sins in the world, from womanising to plundering, gambling to corruption, murdering to kickbacks, looting to lying, involved in nepotism to misusing powers, and then if he/she is one of favourite then his sins becomes past deeds that should be forgiven, forgotten and should not be mentioned (in words of Shujjat Hussain: ‘Mitti pau’).
Well, that has to happen in Pakistan for Pakistan to be where it is now (struggling to survive morally and economically) ... that is, forget the past or even present bad/undesirable deeds of political thugs and only see what ‘sweet talks’ that thug dishes out to attract votes, else, how can Pakistanis would support and vote corrupts, thugs, cheats, liars, plunderers, looters, exploiters, ect ... what Pakistanis do and have done not once but unabatedly and unashamedly, throughout Pakistan history.
I just want to ask Yazdi that:
If you find indecent when mentioning Imran Khan’s confirmed reputation, something Imran himself is not ashamed of, than what do you think of those who would like to support and vote Imran Khan in spite of knowing Imran’s confirmed reputation?
My second question is that ... do you find calling someone corrupt, murderer, looter, plunderer, liar, lota, dictator, etc (all counts as name-calling) as indecent as what you finds about Imran’s reputation?
My third question is that ... if purpose of this forum should be only to talk about ideas of political parties and ideas party leaders dish-out to sell themselves to public, than what idea could be better than idea of PPP (Zardari), that is ‘Roti, Kapra aur Makan’ for all Pakistanis who are mostly poor ... something PPP leaders say all the time and is paramount promise of PPP to voters. Is there any political party in Pakistan that have better slogan?
That is different matter that PPP never fulfils their promises neither they intend to as most of PPP leaders (just like leaders of PML(Q), PML(N) as well as most other parties) are not only rich living on exploiting poor, but have reputation as exploiters, corrupts, plunders, looters, and thugs ... but then if one should not mention that (as mentioning their reputation would be name calling) than what one should do, hide their truth and keep them making fool of mostly illiterate Pakistani masses ... I mean should do ‘mitti pau’ on their reputation?
PS: I am not saying that Imran is the worse choice Pakistanis have in Pakistani politics, but as far as mentioning possible cause of Sherry Rahman not joining PTI, Imran’s reputation cannot be left un-mentioned (regardless of she took that reputation into question or not). It would be same with any politician who is also leader of party that his/her reputation has to be mentioned (and should be taken into account), as reputation plays a part in making people deciding to join or not join a party. For instance, many people who would have joined PPP under Z A Bhutto may not join PPP under A A Zardari ... not because party is different or manifesto of party is different, but because of party leaders’ reputation.
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You are asking me all the wrong questions buddy. I am not here to defend IK.. nor have I asked anyone in this forum to vote or support him.
Why are you thanking khoji now.. thanking him to notice what.. your post which I thought was below the standard of posting in GS forums. Please decide before posting that you are either ashamed of your post or you want to defend it like what you have been doing in this thread.
Please read your post again.. I am not the one who wrote it. You are the one who wrote this post and you are the one trying to defend it in this thread. Why thank khoji now that it was not right on my part to discuss this post in a thread to highlight below standard posts..
GS is the most respected and the largest Pakistani portal/discussion board with a huge membership and following. We are in this position because of maintaing a certain standard of discussion. We would like our posters to maintain a certain standard of discussion. We do not subscribe to any particular political ideology, neither we request our members to follow a particular politician. To support or not to support any personality or political ideology is entirely our posters decision. We just try to provide a decent environment to the forum participants to share their opinions. And we believe that the post given as an example in this thread is below the standard of discussion in our forums..
Thread is being closed/made non sticky.. the point is made.. please refrain from below standard discussions in this forum.