It's time to pack FBI off to US - Lodhi

*I wanted to share this excellent article with you… M. Lodhi has clearly shown how the US has always sought its own interests and stabbed us on the back numerous times. She also raises an interesting point - the fact that these moves by the US have actually helped us strengthen ourselves… What happened when the US decided not to send us our F-16s, for which we paid for?? Our brilliant scientists developed their own missile technology, and thanks to their efforts, we can teach a lesson to anyone who messes with us, and that goes to our cowardly and hostile neighbour, whom she mentions has been war mongering ever since. Why do they have the tendency to shy away each time they realize the consequences of their actions?

It is about time we send these FBI jokers home, we do not need them in Pakistan anymore - not if we are rewarded by being put up in a list of nations whose individuals have to register themselves if they enter the US. Lodhi has clearly pointed out that the US is no longer the land of oppurtunities, not if it has people who welcomes foriegners, but agencies like the INS who drive them away…Its about time we use the oppurtunity and strengthen our nation in any way we can… And for that our Government needs to back and support its people*

It’s time to pack FBI off to the US

By MAK Lodhi

LAHORE: The US has long been known as the Land of Opportunities. Despite the ebb and flow of relations between the US and other governments like that of Pakistan, people of the world continued their fascination with the life and ways of the United States and loved to work with the broadminded and broad shouldered Americans.

Even during this scribe’s visit the US as its guest as late as 9/11/2002, I could see the large hearted Americans ready to rub shoulders with folks visiting them from other nations. As a people, they still greeted strangers with a smile and warm handshake in their own land as if they were seen trying to put back the most jolting event in the American history on 9/11/2001.

Even Pakistanis living in the US who met a delegation of journalists last September were appreciative of the US magnanimity with which they treated its alien communities. Reactions were there but they were few and far between.

**But, the US doesn’t anymore seem to be the Land of Opportunities, the luring abode of talented legions making for the US shores from all the corners of the world.

The move made by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) has mercilessly shown no flexibility to accommodate Muslims, not even that of Pakistan despite its lending shoulder as frontline ally in its war against terrorism.**

When I visited FBI headquarters, the disclosure by its officials that no Pakistani was found involved in 9/11 events was immediately reflected in the sheen on our faces as we exchanged glances under the cameras which watched every movement we made. It was a matter of pride, indeed, for the whole delegation of Pakistani journalists visiting the US. We sent the news back home with a sense of great satisfaction that the nation shared with us. We were appreciative of FBI officials for not being biased in apprising us so honestly.

But the INS policy has lifted a curtain and a deeper scheme of things seems to be unveiling. It indicates as if the US is fast completing its homework to take on other Muslim countries like Iran and Pakistan after it completes the job of plucking out Saddam Hussain. The INS scheme looks like a pre-emptive move to ward off the reaction of communities as and when it turns its back on newly favoured friends like Pakistan.

Basically, it is the right of the US government to computerize its data about all those living on its soil and it is its right to send home all those living on its soil illegally. The INS had started the process much earlier than December 16 last.

During my one-month long stay in the US in September 2002, I happened to visit Canada on Sept 20 for two days. As I re-entered the US on September 22 at Niagara Falls, the US immigration authorities detained me. While tourists of other nations were being cleared, the visa authorities kept me for two hours to have my fingerprints and snapped me through a micro-camera and waited for my clearance despite the fact that I showed them documents of being a guest of the State Department.

I still believed it was the right of the US government. I could imagine the psyche of a nation and government, which, being the most powerful country in the world, had not reacted the way it could have with the available choices at its disposal.

Now that about 100,000 Pakistanis who have been living illegally in the US and earning ‘lesser wages for harder work’ only to help alleviate their own economic burden and replenishing Pakistan’s forex reserves are about to be sent packing home, the long cherished people-to-people relationship is likely to end. The fascination with the Land of Opportunities is soon going to be over.

The government of Pakistan will, therefore, have to stand by its people. It must look into its newfound relationship with the United States. Why should it help the FBI trace elements allegedly sympathetic to al-Qaeda organization and go hunting them out and trying them in courts after amending the statutes books?

The government of Pakistan must ask the FBI officials to pack off and mind their business somewhere else. Pakistan must respond as a nation taking care of its sovereign right, integrity and national ego. **Pakistan should not be afraid of any kind of sanctions. If they have to come, they may be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan. What happened when the US held back F-16s purchased by Pakistan of its own money? Pakistani scientists worked harder and developed missile technology. Today Pakistan is not dependent on F-16s as such and any country growling at Pakistan can be taught a lesson only at its askance.

The nation of Pakistan hasn’t forgotten India’s threatening blitz after conducting nuclear tests in May 1997. War cries of Indian leaders and its jingoist hawks filled the columns of newspapers, which are a proof of Indian schizophrenia. Pakistan had to ‘follow the suit’ as the scribe urged, using this term for the first time in this context in a comment piece.**

The then government reacted in the same coin. On May 29, 1997, India’s belligerence had ended. Ex-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had aptly told a US magazine that if he had not, he would have been out of power sooner than latter.

There are times when nations, even small ones like ours, have to take major decisions in support of its people irrespective of the unforeseen consequences. Look at North Korea. It has revoked its NPT membership and its nation backed up their leader in a million-strong demonstration.

Honestly speaking, there was no need for our President Pervez Musharraf to deny or withdraw a statement regarding Pakistan’s N-threat to India to keep it off. It is true that it worked. India knew about Pakistan’s nuclear capability that averted its adventurism when its forces were deployed in eyeball-to-eyeball position on Pakistan’s borders in an attempt to exploit Pakistan’s situation at its western borders.

The world must know that Pakistan is there to exist and its people want to live as a respectable and peace loving entity in the comity of nations. We shouldn’t be therefore at the beck and call of any other country. The cooperation between the two countries should be only on the reciprocal basis.

We hope Pakistan’s new Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri would hold parleys with his counterpart during his recent visit to the United States in the light of these ideas. We are proud of his bloodline. He never took a decision in the past that could compromise his commitment to the people of Pakistan. We also know about his US friends and the way he always honored them. Mr Kasuri will therefore be walking on a tight rope during his visit. He should not bother about offices. Nobody has forgotten his father or his willingness to part ways with Nawaz Sharif’s government on a matter of principle. He should go to the United States with this mindset.

The nation of Pakistan takes its pride in its national heroes. Dr Qadeer Khan is a very loving hero. It is true that nobody is infallible and may suffer from flaws. But Pakistan should not allow anybody to degrade its heroes. Pakistan should, therefore, think independently of all external pressures. When the US required Pakistan to support it in the war against terrorism, Pakistan supported it. The US must know it was not a unilateral decision of one man, the President of Pakistan.

We are living in a different world today. It is fast becoming polarized once again. The policy statement of President George W Bush declaring three states to be axis of evil further fomented anti-US sentiments in many parts of the world. Even people of the United States would not approve of such policies which tantamount to interference in the affairs of other nations beyond a degree of propriety. If some of the nations have piles of N-weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, it is the right of other nations also to acquire them.

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Looking at the world affairs from a different perspective, India and Israel happen to be the real axis of evil. All the problems that the world is facing today have their roots in Israel and India. The US should go back to the peace process in Middle East and find out causes and reasons for the failure of Camp-David and Oslo Track-II process that aimed at carving a niche for Palestinians. Some of the Republicans and American intellectuals are wrong in thinking that even after the 're-establishment' of Palestine, threat to Israel will not be dispelled.

Such threats exist only in evil minds. India may also be the victim of such hallucinations. It is a state a mind and the phobia can be best cured if all the communities of the world are treated as humans on a par with those who consider themselves superior. As long as people continue to be homeless, suffering and at the mercy of others, they are surely going to rise up one day. No nation would like its young ones to become suicide bombers if they don't suffer from very deep anxiety under a continued burden of living as aliens in foreign lands.

It is therefore time to think for countries like Pakistan that acquiring missile technology and nuclear arsenal for self-defence is a natural right of every nation. A nation may borrow technology from another. It is none of the business of a third nation to poke its nose unless and until it poses a direct and tangible threat to it.

Pakistan must acquire technology from whatever sources it can. It is Pakistan's intrinsic right. Even the US itself had countered threats from socialist and communist blocs during the cold war by keeping a balance of power. Smaller nations also have the same right to keep off bigger and stronger states ogling at neighbours with hegemonic eyes.

Issue of INS has been very disappointing among the communities of Pakistani-American in the United States. While we blame our Govt. for letting this happen, I also want to make it clear that there hasn't been much protest by the communities, organizations of Pakistani-American, some are PAANA [Pakistani American Association of North America], PANA[Pakistani American National Alliance.]

They should have stood up against this policy rather than calling Govt. of Pakistan for help.

Once we are in baby...we can't get out. Think of all the progress the FBI is making in Pakistan capturing Al-Qaeda. They need to and will stay there for as long as we need.

Correction:

FBI is helping Pakistan's Police to grab those butchers.

pakistan cant have both ways . till lot of thing need to be cleaned up in
nwfp in pakistan's own interst. why these outsiders need to be there use
their soil to as a launching pad thus sparing thie own holy lands.

As far as the question of FBI present in Pakistan is concerned , I have no interest in that, however, to say that we possess weapons of mass destruction and we can teach anybody a lesson is too irrational a premise. These weapons are for the sole purpose of deterrence.Lately that argument has lost any credibility but since we need to be cautious of the next door neighbor we need to make advancement in this field.
However, I believe that its our own mistake that we recognized the Taliban regime, we have a lax appraoch as far as intra-state security issues are concerned, the proliferation of madrassas and their unaccounted use and abuse of religion is nobody else's fault But ours. We need to sweep before our own house. Not a single Pakistani was involved in the september 11 highjackings, but we need to see as to why what happens happens with us.
I believe that the problem is with our policy ;external as well as internal. THough the criticism is very well taken regarding the INS issue but I believe that any country in such dire straits would do that. I don't know whether I make sense or not but we should be cognizant of the fact that many Afghan refugees have Pakistani id cards...Its no secret that we have a sizeable population that was sympathetic with the Taliban regime. Our leaders make firy speeches against the US. In these circustances I donot think that that was an imprudent step on part of US. But certainly its our policy failure.

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Once we are in baby...we can't get out. Think of all the progress the FBI is making in Pakistan capturing Al-Qaeda. They need to and will stay there for as long as we need.
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tere pyo da mulk hai....

Who the hell are you to stay there as long as you need...huh

na bacha naa...we know very well how to kick ppol out....

Re: It's time to pack FBI off to US - Lodhi

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It is about time we send these FBI jokers home, we do not need them in Pakistan anymore -
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they do not wait for your permission to come in or go out. they'll leave when they finish what they came there for.

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not if we are rewarded by being put up in a list of nations whose individuals have to register themselves if they enter the US. Lodhi has clearly pointed out that the US is no longer the land of oppurtunities,
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This is so blatantly a case of sour grapes when you can't have it

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**Honestly speaking,
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Is this for a change? what about the other things you've said before 'honestly speaking'?

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there was no need for our President Pervez Musharraf to deny or withdraw a statement regarding Pakistan's N-threat to India to keep it off.

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then why did he deny it? too much pressure or being caught in empty bravado?

Pakistan sorely needs an attitude make over. The overwhelming poulation in Pakistan supports jehadi mentality so why cry at the side effects like FBI prowling around or a few lacs being shunted out. US is not even sparing Arabia for all its oil. The decision is definately based on a proven threat of having the numbers, will and funding. US does not buy Musharrarraf's argument of good or bad terrorists, else would have exempted you . These guys are capable of doing it any where US, Bali or Kashmir and why cry when the unlimited liability bills need to be paid, comes with the clever strategy . Get on the side of human values and economic development for a change and see the results in a few years, My Dears.

ouch!

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Pakistan sorely needs an attitude make over. The overwhelming poulation in Pakistan supports jehadi mentality so why cry at the side effects like FBI prowling around or a few lacs being shunted out. US is not even sparing Arabia for all its oil. The decision is definately based on a proven threat of having the numbers, will and funding. US does not buy Musharrarraf's argument of good or bad terrorists, else would have exempted you . These guys are capable of doing it any where US, Bali or Kashmir and why cry when the unlimited liability bills need to be paid, comes with the clever strategy . Get on the side of human values and economic development for a change and see the results in a few years, My Dears.
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AB, clearly your posts are driven by revulsion and oblivion. You have chosen, rather wisely, to overlook your homegrown terrorists who unabashedly burned thousands of their own citizens. It is about time you indian dumbwits end your obsession with pakistan and start paying attention to issues facing your nation, hunger & poverty to name a few.
As far as letting US use Pakistani territory, I believe after 9/11 india was one of the first nations to offer US its airbases, alas to no use. Now it is not pakistan’s fault that india is feeling like a rejected whore…

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
ouch!
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I knew that anal probe of yours would hurt....

Re: Re: It's time to pack FBI off to US - Lodhi

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *

they do not wait for your permission to come in or go out. they'll leave when they finish what they came there for.
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please do not discuss your personal sex life here at GS...

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then why did he deny it? too much pressure or being caught in empty bravado?
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He still has to maintain the "peace" guy posture...even though we know that deep down he wants to kick some serious indian butt...:D

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Once we are in baby...we can't get out. Think of all the progress the FBI is making in Pakistan capturing Al-Qaeda. They need to and will stay there for as long as we need.
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First of all, whats up with this 'we'? Remember, even though you might have kissed some (you know what) or married some american to get hold of amreekan nationality, or whateva, in reality you will remain an Indian... And that term itself is deregatory enough for a person like you.

Secondly, the FBI is making no progress. On most occassions they run away, leaving the Pakistani security to finish the job. May I remind you how they ran away in Karachi, when the Pakistani law authorities raided and caught the suspected terrorists. May I also remind you how they ran away in Waziristan, and left the job to the Pak armed forces, which also sufferred casulties.

People like you said the same thing in the sixties, about Pakistani not willing to kick the US forces back to where they came from, may I remind you how Ayub Khan gave a deadline to clear up the bases at that time? And those armed forces people had to comply immediately, and these are a handful of FBI agents we are talking about...

Re: Re: It's time to pack FBI off to US - Lodhi

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *

they do not wait for your permission to come in or go out. they'll leave when they finish what they came there for.

This is so blatantly a case of sour grapes when you can't have it

Is this for a change? what about the other things you've said before 'honestly speaking'?

then why did he deny it? too much pressure or being caught in empty bravado?
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Mr. Jagjeeva, in case you didnt know, it was M. Lodhi, and not me who wrote that article... I know it was probably 12:00 oclock when you decided to write that reply, oh well... Its not your fault :D

so where did I say anything about you writing that junk? why are you so defensive?

whoever wrote that is immaterial. I just wanted the readers to know what crap the bravado is.

btw did you think it was 12:00 by looking at the blinking numbers on your vcr? that vcr only tells time right only twice a day you know!

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
so where did I say anything about you writing that junk? why are you so defensive?

whoever wrote that is immaterial. I just wanted the readers to know what crap the bravado is.

btw did you think it was 12:00 by looking at the blinking numbers on your vcr? that vcr only tells time right only twice a day you know!
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baweqoof indian, you think Maleeha Lodhi is immaterial? I know you are so obsessed with Pakistan, but before you go on ranting your worthless indian crap on this forum, do read more about Dr. Maleeha Lodhi...

spock, only you can do this! because you asked me I went and googled Maleeha Lodhi. gues what the 1st serach result I got was:

http://www.paknews.com/cgi-paknews/link.cgi?link=crisis/maleeha99/maleeha99

and this

http://www.paknews.com/cgi-paknews/link.cgi?link=crisis/maleeha99/maleeha-111899

you tried but no cigar!

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