It's nice to hear good things said about India.

[rvikz]

Re: It’s nice to hear good things said about India.

@Eklipse23

why indian should trust the popular demand of kashmiris while pakistani army does not trust its own people selection of bad civilian elected govermant?

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This is a straw man fallacy. Referedum for Kashmir is not dependent on the political systems of India or Pakistan. I challenge you to bring up any mention of Democracy in Pakistan or India in respect to the solution of the Kashmir issue. You not find it in the UN resolutions, Shimla Accords.

If think that Kashmiri will prefer Indian democracy over Pakistani dictatorship, then let them decide in a referendum. If your confident about this then do it.

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kashmiris may not make a wise choice that put the whole southasia in danger
of another bloodshed and refugees that flow in to pakistan . it is much better
to continue safe status quo.**

It is not up to you or me to decide whether Kashmiris will make the wise choice or not. I am not sure what state you are from in India, but during partition, the fate of that state was decided. Kashmir was/is/will be in limbo. Usurping rights domestically is one issue, but Kashmir is DISPUTED territory, therefore the settlement must be done through a referendum.

it looks very simplictic to transfer land just because 51 % voted .
atleast 2/3 of both community should agree.

[Eklipse23]

Re: It’s nice to hear good things said about India.

@rvikz

it looks very simplictic to transfer land just because 51 % voted .
atleast 2/3 of both community should agree.

First let us all agree on the principle of the referendum before going into details on what constitutes the majority. Land transfer and all matters become talking points once we have a partner in peace, meaning India..Right now we have no partner. Some fair Indians have indeed agreed to the referendum principle (I do hope you are one of them), whereas the majority has not.

I can only imagine the type of lynching that would occur if an Indian PM agrees to a referendum. But that is not to say that a great visionary will not arise.

If you think the status quo will continue then I can assure you that the view does not take the demographic realities of the land into account.

In all sincerity, I do believe that this is the singular roadblock towards full fledged normalization between the two nations. So no hatred for India here, just a reminder that a great nation has to do the right thing. Now the ball is in India’s court.

[A_Good_Being]

Re: It's nice to hear good things said about India.

what's with this empty baseless and endless arguement about Kashmir? Hasn't it become quite obvious that whenever Pres.Musharaf promises a crackdown on camps, the attacks go down. And after some time it comes back up, until somebody from India and US make a statement calling for 'Pakistan needs to do more'...then he makes another statement and the cycle continues.

Fortunately things seem to have gotten a bit better lately even though there is the occasional attack.

It is even more clear now that the Kashmiri residents, regardless of their religion, prefer to be Indian. And if anyone comes up with a "in that case why can't you do a referendum" just tell them a. it's none of your beeswax and b. sure, if you do a referendum in all your provinces, we'll consider one in Kashmir.

[anjjan]

Re: It’s nice to hear good things said about India.

@Eklipse23

**Pakistan raised the issue in the UN after it was brought to the international body. Vacating the territory was a prior condition for both India and Pakistan. At the UN fora, India, much like what you are doing, began it’s excuses and attempts to subvert the setup and logistic of this UN proposed referendum under that climate, Pakistan (or any sane nation) would not unilaterally withdraw. If India had stated an unequoivical ‘yes’ much like what you are avoiding then onus would have been on Pakistan. Look at the history: India took Kargil attempted to steal Siachin. Honestly, do you think that the actions of India were NOT agressive. If say today, Pakistan vacates Azad Kashmir, you think India will NOT move in and let Azad Kashmir stay on it’s own. If you say yes then I have nothing more to say to you.

1. Where do you read that India had also to vacate Kashmir as a prior condition to referendum?

2. Re India took Kargil…it is a strategic issue. What is wrong in that? How come did Pakistan understand it after 33 years of annexation of Kargil by India?

3. If say today, Pakistan vacates Azad Kashmir, you think India will NOT move in and let Azad Kashmir stay on it’s own………..
   It is not a question of today……in fact on this pretext Pakistan did not vacate the occupied territory of Kashmir (as a prior condition to refrendum). Why you blame India for that?