…to note that Shariah was the reason for the amicable solution to the Raymond Davis issue.
I guess Shariah law does have its benefits? Right my dear ABCDs? 
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Actually, it proves that Sharia law does not provide justice in these circumstances and actually favors the powerful and wealthy who can get away with murder because of their ability to pay people off and/or coerce people to forgive murders. This was a convenient compromise in this case but one can not say that justice was served. The better solution would have been for a court to either acquit Davis for self defense or find him guilty of murder or for him to have immunity. None of these happened here and he did not have to defend or explain himself because he/his backers could coerce or buy off the relatives of the people that were killed.
This law looks even worse when a person is killed by his/her own relatives. The murderer can pardon themselves??
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This law looks even worse when a person is killed by his/her own relatives. The murder can pardon themselves??
Very true. I believe this is often the case for honour killings, where the family just decides to forgive itself.
Re shariah law, some things are okay, some things are not. I wouldnt accept the notion of blood money for myself or my family, but its not my place to question a family's decisions to accept it, and I have no principled reason to oppose it. Oh except of course the fact that the law is a legacy of a military dictator.
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we pakis are such a disgrace to islam. it's not new we become muslims whenever it suits us.
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Oh except of course the fact that the law is a legacy of a military dictator.
Since when Diyyat is a legacy of a military dictator ?
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Since when Diyyat is a legacy of a military dictator ?
The Diyat law was formulated during his rule, and was passed by an body he assembled for Islamization.
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The Diyat law was formulated during his rule, and was passed by an body he assembled for Islamization.
Diyyat and qasas have always been part of Islamic law - Although I dont agree with the implication and mistreatment of them - which is debatable but again there is nothing wrong with the law itself ...
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**this provision is for victim's family who may have lost the ONLY bread winner for the family and this money wud ease the further pain. again, the victim';s next of kin have to VOLUNTARILY accept it under NO pressure. it makes sense.
like any other law, this one is also abused by so called self serving leaders.**
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Diyyat and qasas have always been part of Islamic law - Although I dont agree with the implication and mistreatment of them - which is debatable but again there is nothing wrong with the law itself ...
I dont wish to debate the law. I dont care about the issue except for the loophole mentioned by Ajju used by honour killers to forgive themselves that I believe was finally eliminated in 2006 by PPP/Musharraf with objections and rallies from the usual mullay. At any rate you questioned a statement I made, which stands. They were laws formulated by Zia, and passed by his supra-parliamentary Council of Islamic Ideology in 1990. Whether or not they are right or wrong, Islamic or unIslamic I dont really care to dispute. They are in Pakistan ONLY because Zia ul Haq became a dictator and khalifatul Muslimeen.
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and passed by his supra-parliamentary Council of Islamic Ideology in 1990. Whether or not they are right or wrong, Islamic or unIslamic I dont really care to dispute. They are in Pakistan ONLY because Zia ul Haq became a dictator and khalifatul Muslimeen.
Zia died in 1988, and we saw two democratically elected parliaments in power in 1990. So its not a dictator's work, what happened in 1990 must have been passed by an elected parliament.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/82338.html
“The CIA hit man who shot and killed two Pakistanis, and was responsible for the automobile homicide of another, has been let off after the US paid “blood money” to the families of the bereaved. “Diyya” or blood money is a provision in Sharia law. Ancient German and Anglo-Saxon law had such provisions as well. Let’s compare. In the US, the family of a murdered man is not compensated; rather, they are taxed to help maintain the killer in an outpost of the very expensive prison-industrial complex. In Pakistan, the survivors have the choice of seeking compensation rather than punishment. Widows and children will then not be left destitute. Now which is more civilized?”
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Zia died in 1988, and we saw two democratically elected parliaments in power in 1990. So its not a dictator's work, what happened in 1990 must have been passed by an elected parliament.
Council of Islamic Ideology was not an elected body. It was created and assembled by Zia
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I'd disagree. Its actually depends on the next to kins if they want to forgive. If they dont want to forgive, even whole wealth of the world can not do anything. It actually gives more option to victim's family. If they are really poor and the guy killed was the only earner of the family at least rest of them can still survive and will not go through financial pain in addition to emotional.
btw, I am talking about general law and not for this particular scenario. If someone want to abuse the law, there is no law that can not be abused. Even if there was no Islamic law in this case, Americans would have taken their man somehow - so weak are we.
Actually, it proves that Sharia law does not provide justice in these circumstances and actually favors the powerful and wealthy who can get away with murder because of their ability to pay people off and/or coerce people to forgive murders. This was a convenient compromise in this case but one can not say that justice was served. The better solution would have been for a court to either acquit Davis for self defense or find him guilty of murder or for him to have immunity. None of these happened here and he did not have to defend or explain himself because he/his backers could coerce or buy off the relatives of the people that were killed.
This law looks even worse when a person is killed by his/her own relatives. The murderer can pardon themselves??
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Apparently council walay were even more hardline than Zia. Allah Bakshay marhoom nai council to bana di lekin woh galay hi par gai
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Zia Ul Haq, the Mard E **Munafiqeen **cared nothing for Islam, he was merely trying to maintain his own grip on power by brainwashing the populace. And the Pakistani populace has been brainwashed so thoroughly that they resist all attempts at positive change (the recent Blasphemy Laws thing is proof of this).
And Krash, what have you been drinking mate?
A senseless comparison if there ever was one.
And about honor killings, a nation where people murder their own sisters in the name of honor deserves nothing better than what we are getting.
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....to note that Shariah was the reason for the amicable solution to the Raymond Davis issue.
I guess Shariah law does have its benefits? Right my dear ABCDs? :D
Actually it's high time for Islamists to die in chulo barh pani, what ya think :)
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Diyyat and qasas have always been part of Islamic law - Although I dont agree with the implication and mistreatment of them - which is debatable but again there is nothing wrong with the law itself ...
Pakistan never was an Islamic Law, and neither it will be. We as a nation already show the losers of Swat this system is unacceptable and will be taken off by force.
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^ yet again you are implying that Swat was run accordance to 'Islam', you keep blowing this non-sense, and the sad thing is you have absolutely no idea about what youre talking about. TTP does not, and never represented Islam so stop glorifying TTP's Swat thuggery as an example of Islamic Rule.