and it wouldnt be that bad if they could make that time worthwhile..i dont knwo if u can put all of em in one category but from wat i have seen and heard about stuff that goes around in our masjid, they are not open to arguments..they think the Islam they teach is right, everyone else is wrong..
Re: issues with approach of tableeghi people..
Well, there is wisdom behind just showing up. How many of us would actually book a time with them to see us? You are a rare case fraud, I’m sure you know it. We are talking about the average muslims who don’t even want to see a bearded guy or hijabi at their door. I have gone in jamaat and in what they refer as ‘gusht’ long ago during my university days, some people have literally become muslim just after listening to them for 1 minute. No joke… Some muslims have read their first ever namaaz in ages after a few words with them. Some have visited the mosque they never even knew existed in their city. Those same people would never have ‘arranged’ a time to see them.
Besides, I have told them many times that I don’t have time or I’m on my way out. “you can check if my father or brother is home” they won’t sit and talk with female members anyway. They are cool about it. Sometimes I am busy and I am still impressed with their demeanor, they never insist on coming in and would say a few words right at the door and leave.
Being muslim, the way I see it, if my brother showed up at my door, ofcourse I would invite him in or atleast have a few words. They are our muslim brothers at our doorstep, its a very basic thing. I am shocked at how many muslims despise them. They don’t even know the islamic status of a muslim guest at their door. 
Re: Re: issues with approach of tableeghi people..
Very ture , thanks brother 
and ‘gasht’ mean here is to walk around in neighbourhood,
;if anyone couldn’t get!
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jazakallh brother…
there are 3 types of gasht in tableghees…
1-normal weekly gasht…no need for taking time…normally the day and time is fixed..
2-khusosi mulaqat-they normally take time before coming…
3-when a jammaat is in ur mosque- normally when a jammaat is in ur mosque then they come without informing…on mulaqat but if u tell them to take time they will definatly do that…
just added the above lines to make things more clear…
and thanks ? for clearing things…sorry if i made any harsh comments in that loving post 
Fraudz you have a point.I mean I think the tableeghi people should have their meetings on a more timely manner at the local masjids.Or plan it at somebody's place- and let the others know the time etc.
My father and bro are at work all week, except weekends.Its not exactly nice, when the jamat comes over and Im home alone.One time they said they would wait, I called my dad.He was able to leave work and come since the jamat was from overseas.But I think that it would be so much better, if they had organized meetings.
I think its something great what they do- but yeah people are busy, it would be nice if they could come when most people can be around to listen.I guess people should also make an effort themselves to be free.
And dont even get me started on Mormon missionaries.I feel like slamming the door in their faces.
agreed. i like to have one to one conversation, a discussion where all my questions are answered. and where i am not labled as whatever for asking taboo questions. i dont even like to go to one of those dars which is in trend now adayz. all women do is show up in their best dress, listen to the lady without any clue about what she is saying, and when its all done, they are back to their usual gossips and eating food.
blaah..
okay ..sorry for going off topic :-/
Re: Re: issues with approach of tableeghi people..
*Originally posted by STRONGMAN: *
**Well, there is wisdom behind just showing up. How many of us would actually book a time with them to see us? **
but a person who is not intwrested in talkign to them will not talk to them,
**You are a rare case fraud, I’m sure you know it. **
No bro, this is a common complaint by my friends,
- make a time
- dont say teh same thing that every tableeghi jamaat says. lets discuss things that pertain to this person, dualogue not speeches.
**We are talking about the average muslims who don’t even want to see a bearded guy or hijabi at their door. **
Man, if “average” muslims do not want to see hijabis or bearded guys at their doors, they would not let their family in 
cuz average muslims either observe these or have someone in teh family who does.
** No joke… Some muslims have read their first ever namaaz in ages after a few words with them. Some have visited the mosque they never even knew existed in their city. Those same people would never have ‘arranged’ a time to see them. **
Dude when i was a teenager and in Pakistan one time they showed up and just almost forced me into going to the masjid. so i went i listened and I prayed, and it did not mean anything to me, it did not affect me, it did not change my life..nothing.
To them it may have been a victory that oh soemone came and prayed.
I did not give a damn about religion really, and continued to not do that until I met some people who by example, and who by their gentle ways and wisdom convinced me over a period of time to turn my life around. the shotgun approach of tableeghi jamaat may nto have long term results.
**Being muslim, the way I see it, if my brother showed up at my door, ofcourse I would invite him in or atleast have a few words. They are our muslim brothers at our doorstep, its a very basic thing. **
what if while this mulsim brother shows up at your door univited, but you have commitments to another muslim brother? what then?
**I am shocked at how many muslims despise them. They don’t even know the islamic status of a muslim guest at their door. **
I think there are some sayings about how one person act as a guest too right?
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*Originally posted by suroor_ca02: *
agreed. i like to have one to one conversation, a discussion where all my questions are answered. and where i am not labled as whatever for asking taboo questions. i dont even like to go to one of those dars which is in trend now adayz. all women do is show up in their best dress, listen to the lady without any clue about what she is saying, and when its all done, they are back to their usual gossips and eating food.
blaah..
okay ..sorry for going off topic :-/
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Yeah. What people need is an opportunity.
So tableeghi jamaat folks show up at people's homes in the US? How do they get addresses - from other community members, presumably?
Fraud, I will reply to some of your points.
When I said your a rare case, I meant that you are one of the few who WOULD actually book a time to see them. Most would not. The fact many complain about them as you say is VERY common, correct.
I meant stranger hijabis or bearded guys at the door, not known family members. Many don't even answer the door when they see them (tableeghi's).
If the stranger muslim brother shows up at my door uninvited, its no different than my good friend showing up uninvited. Do you find that wrong as well?. I could tell either I am busy, whats the big deal?
As far as how a guest it behaving, is a friend misbehaving when he shows up uninvited? I never had an experience where I felt they were misbehaving or being disrespectful. Actually I have had experiences where 'friends' are misbehaving. Showing up, thinking its their full right to come in and literally walking in. I would then have to boldly say 'sorry buddy' come back later. A tableeghi dude would not dare step foot into my house unless I asked him to come in. From my experience, they have never even asked to come in, they would just stand at the door. I would feel bad and ask them to please come in. As I said, I have told them (tablleegis) many times that I am busy, or I am eating or whatever... they simply either ask for another male family member or arrange another time or they say a few kind words (about a meeting or so and so at the mosque or about dean) and leave. No harm done...Who knows how much sawab or duas they give me as they leave my doorstep because I was at least kind to them. The ones I would be missing if I was harsh to them or didn't answer the door.
I guess this sort of demeanor is something we have lost in our muslim ummah. We see another muslim brother, we can not even take the time to say salaam to him or have a few words which cost us nothing but will give us so much in return. Even the small act of 'assalamo alaikum' and 1 minute of Allah's / Muhammad's S.A.W. rememberance/talk can reward us in abundance. Strange how most don't take advantage of these easy, yet valuable deeds.
I think these guys broke one of the ettiquetes recommended by the Prophet :saw:.
Men are advised not to enter homes where there are Non-mehmrem females without their family. I am assuming they waited inside the house. If not, then I am sorry to assume.
** Many don't even answer the door when they see them (tableeghi's).**
I dont really blame them, tableeghis show up without a concern for the other person's time.
** If the stranger muslim brother shows up at my door uninvited, its no different than my good friend showing up uninvited. Do you find that wrong as well?. I could tell either I am busy, whats the big deal? **
the big deal..if your good friend keeps showing up to your door uninvited and you keep telling him, yaar let me know when you are coming etc, but he keeps doing that..would you not find that disrespectful?
B As far as how a guest it behaving, is a friend misbehaving when he shows up uninvited? **
a friend is misbehaving when he knows that you do not like it when he shows up uninvited, but he decides to show upuninvited time and time again.
*I never had an experience where I felt they were misbehaving or being disrespectful. *
as far as adaab of being a guest, you have to be sensitive to the host's needs, respectful of times that they are busy, and respectful of local customs. In some areas it may be okay to show up at someone's door and ring a doorbell, but where it is not, they need to be mindful of that.