It is like Bharatis asking. Does Pakistan has a right to exist?
The answer is heck yes!
Even when Pakistan is much smaller compared to Bharat,
Or Israel is much smaller compared to Arabized areas,
Pakistan has guts to take on 10 times bigger enemy.
Same way Israel has guts to take on 10 times bigger enemy.
Pakistan doesn't beg Bharatis for its right to exist
Israel doesn't beg Arabs for its right to exist.
Pakistan uses its strong military to enforce its rights.
Israel uses its strong military to enforce its rights.
So any Arab lackeys eyeing Israel,
Or any Bharati lackeys eyeing Pakistan.
Beware, our shoe will fall on your head if you challenge our right to exist.
Mr. Antiobl, I did not expect such a lame answer from you. In your zeal you forgot that present day Pakistanis although have some Arab and Persian blood but the majority of them are indigenous people. They are the sons of Indus and have lived here for thousands of years. Over a passage of time they embraced Islam.
How can you even compare it with Israel, where you see every other person to be imported from some other part of the world.
So the answer is heck No! Israel does not have a right to exist. Since you really want them to exist, why don't you give them a piece of land in your backyard instead of planting tomatoes there. Nobody has a right to invade other people's land!
Palestine belongs to Muslims of that area and Israel must be undone!
May Allah give us all enough brains to help us avoid unnecessary wars.
It took another war before
What do you mean "avoid unnecessary wars"? Even If you sit quietly with your lota, you would still face their agression. What did Afghanistan do to the West that it was invaded? What weapons of mass destruction did Iraq have that it was invaded? Wake up its all part of tehir plan, no matter what you do to please them. They will do what they have to. Your apologies and bending won't bring you peace. Power will!
I think what Israel should do , is extend its barrier from Beirut to Sinai, and kick all the Terrorists out. then (since they act like kids) clearly put the few simple rules on the table.
-It doesn't matter who has the right to it, you wanna play in my sand box, you play by my rules.
-Use this land as achieving its goals with other middle east Govt.'s
-Secure its borders. Control Gaza. move Palestinians to west bank, and give them full control accept borders.
-Control and run free and fair elections in Palestinians area's without any terrorists allowed to run.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other human being. if there is peace in that region, all of the world will benefit from it.
But the question is what are the terrorists going to do if there is peace. they wont get any funding for there fanaticism, they will actually have to work for a living.
Opposition to Israel is food for Palestinians and there is NO WAY any party will win without condemning existence of Israel and they will be painted terrorist by your kind, so in other words that is not possible.
Semi, that is the essence of the whole issue. The UN validated Israel in 1948. The Arab world rejected that mandate, and started three, now four wars. (Five or six or seven if you count the occupation of Lebanon, and a couple intifadas). Clearly Iran and Syria and Lebanon need to either accept the UN mandate, or withdraw from the UN.
Right to exist or not, as long as Israel is threatening to nuke Muslim cities if it is in danger of being occupied and disbanded, we have to live with and accept the reality of it being there.
Unless you're willing to accept millions of Muslim men, women and children being vapourised in nuclear explosions on Damascus, Cairo, Beirut, Riyadh, Tehran, Amman and countless other towns and cities, Israel will not be wiped out.
After all, if Israel is about to be wiped out, what incentive does it have not to use its nuclear weapons against the countries behind its destruction? It's not as though Israel will be punished for it... it would know there would be no Israel left to punish in a few days anyway.
Would you really pin your hopes on the chance that a Zionist leader, about to see his country destroyed, would have an attack of guilty conscience and decide not to fire his nukes, decide to let his nukes fall into the hands of Muslim countries?
The nuclear dimension means that the destruction of Israel could only be done through losing the lives of millions of Muslims in their own homes. That's not a price we should ever pay.
Meaning that the continued existence of Israel is a long-term reality that will need to be eventually accepted. I emphasis eventually because the short-term goal should be the creation of a viable Palestinian state (rather than the rump state that Israel & the USA have been trying to foist on them) and getting Israel to cease occupying the land of other countries (Sheba farms of Lebanon, and Golan Heights of Syria)
What right did the UN have to validate such a partition? Just because a majority decides to screw some people does not make it a right. What if the muslims were in majority at the UN and they had validated that Israel were to be created in place of the state of Florida, would the people there accept that. And again like Ahmednijad said, the ones who persecuted the jews should be the ones to pay the price. In fact the UN doesn't meaning anything as USA has already proved it. There is no such thing as historical right to a place. People who live in a place have right to it. Jewish people were imported to increase their numbers, this is no hidden fact.
The one dumb thing I count on part of Arabs is that they betrayed the Ottoman empire to their own detriment. Instead of thinking muslim they were thinking Arab and ofcourse they are paying the price for it.
However the Arab muslim stance is wrong that Jews cannot exist, it happened and it would have made much more sense to have peace prevail. Should the Jews break any treaties then there would be grounds for attack.
the holocaust and the creation of israel are two different things....
there was a jewish struggle to create a homeland since the 1920's when the ottomans were driven out and religious freedoms were restored in palestine and lebanon.
again making the link between the holocaust and creation of israel is a muslim myth
what else do you expect. arabs backstab their muslim brethern is that something new?
and what attack can arabs mount?
Israel is having a tough time because its fighting hezbollah which is asymmetric warfare, but in symmetric warfare Israel is the true master of the battlefield
there was a jewish struggle to create a homeland since the 1920's when the ottomans were driven out and religious freedoms were restored in palestine and lebanon.
again making the link between the holocaust and creation of israel is a muslim myth
No they are related because had it not been for the holocaust the State of Israel could have still been in the tantrums. Regardless, surrounded by Arabs muslims what gives then a legitimate right to create a state there. Why don't Pakistani's rally in USA for a North American pakistan here in the heart of USA. Your going to say what sense does that make, well on the same analogy what sense did Israel make in that region. And the jews never had so much bloodshed when they lived in that region during Muslim rule, the first time they gain rule and look at the situation.
and what attack can arabs mount?
Give them technology similar to Israel and Israel will not last another day.
Prophet SAW was also an Arab. All people backstab. Allah chose to raise the Prophet SAW from among the Arabs, must have been something about them?
Hizb is performing miracles compared to what all the Arab states did combined. They could not hold out even 6 day, Hizb alone has lasted a grueling 2 weeks.
Technology is never given. It is earned. You think you can become Arnold like body-builder by saying "khul ja sim sim" (Open sesame). That guy had to work for decades before he became "the terminator"
Get out of mosque, and get in one of the top US schools. Bust your backside for 10 years and you as individual may learn a thing or two about technology. If 100's of your hum-khyal (sharing school of thought) follow the same hard road, then we are talking about seeds of technology. Mix these seeds in a free thinking liberal non-Mullah entrepreneurial environment and you got technology baby. Off course this is tough. It may take 100 years. So what is the short cut. Follow Iran and Hizbiz, get technology of fatooshas kathooshas and live happily for next 2 seconds.
Case in point: Honda is introducing a small plane (7 seater I guess). They started making small 1 cylinder engine motorcycle 50 years ago. then made 2 cylinder, motorcycle, then car, then airplane. This is how you earn technology. Off course Arab-inspiration for technology is as good as inspiration for death and destruction.
This is the most villiage-simpleton logic in praise of all Arabs. Have you ever thought that Arabs had goen so bad that Allah mian had to do something big by sending in his own man?
Hizbiz have brought death and destruction to Lebanon. Going in a war with no plan is as much criminal as those who kill women and children.
Making things worse, Hizbiz are using civilian areas for their storage and planning, thus bringing more death and destruction. So either you have no idea of modern wars, or you are still living in a fanciful world of 726 AD.
