Israel's Modesty Buses

The other day I was waiting for a bus in downtown Jerusalem. I was in the bustling orthodox Jewish neighbourhood of Mea Sharim and the bus stop was extremely crowded.

When the Number 40 bus arrived, the most curious thing happened. Husbands left heavily pregnant wives or spouses struggling with prams and pushchairs to fend for themselves as they and all other male passengers got on at the front of the bus.
Women moved towards the rear door to get on at the back.
When on the bus, I tried to buck the system, moving my way towards the driver but was pushed back towards the other women.
These are what orthodox Jews call “modesty buses”.
The separation system operates on 30 public bus routes across Israel.
The authorities here say the arrangement is voluntary, but in practice, as I found out, there is not much choice involved.
‘Abuse and threats’
Naomi Ragen is one of a group of women now taking the separation bus system to court. She is an orthodox Jew herself.
“I wasn’t trying to start a revolution, all I wanted to do was get home,” she tells me.
"I was in downtown Jerusalem and I saw a bus going straight to my neighbourhood and I got on and sat down, in a single seat behind the driver.
“It was a completely empty bus, and all of a sudden, some men started getting on, ultra-orthodox men. They told me I was not allowed to sit there, I had to go to the back of the bus.”
Not only is the segregation system discriminatory, says Ms Ragen, but it can also be dangerous, she says, for those like her who ignore it.
"I said to him look, if you bring me a code of Jewish law and show me where it’s written that I have to sit at the back of the bus I’ll move. “And he tried to gain support from the rest of the passengers and I underwent a half-hour of pure hell - abuse, humiliation, threats, even physical intimidation.”

‘Positive discrimination’ Supporters of the separation system say the buses involved serve mainly religious Jewish neighbourhoods - but not exclusively.

Many passengers are not happy. You will hear complaints at bus stops all over town.

One man told me that if some people wanted segregation buses they should pay a private company to provide them.
Another told me that in a society that is democratic and where the buses are subsidised by the government, a minority’s concerns should not override those of the majority.
But Shlomo Rosenstein disagrees. He is a city councillor in Jerusalem where a large proportion of Israel’s segregation lines operate.
“This really is about positive discrimination, in women’s favour. Our religion says there should be no public contact between men and women, this modesty barrier must not be broken.”
Uphill struggle
Opponents of the separation buses face an uphill struggle. Orthodox Jewish leaders are a powerful minority in Israel.
Naomi Ragen says the buses are just part of a wider menacing pattern of behaviour towards women in parts of the orthodox Jewish community.
"They’ve already cancelled higher education in the ultra-orthodox world for women. They have packed the religious courts with ultra-orthodox judges.
“In some places there are separate sides of the street women have to walk on.”
She says that there are signs all over some religious neighbourhoods demanding that women dress modestly.
“They throw paint and bleach at women who aren’t dressed modestly and if we don’t draw a line in the sand here with this seat on a bus, then I don’t know what this country and this religion is going to look like in 20 years,” Ms Ragen said. Petitioners like Naomi Ragen have asked Israel’s High Court to either ban the segregation buses altogether or to force bus companies to provide parallel bus routes for passengers wanting to sit where they like.

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ya I read about it....

Judiasm being an Abrahamic Religion. Some Jewish Extremists also practice segregation like Muslims and Christians.

Infact some Jewish sects, it is haram for a Woman to be with a Man after sunset

And the hijab was started by the Jews. Later it was adopted by Persian Noblewomen when Persia conquered Assyria and then it was adopted by Muslims after their conquest of Persia in 7th Century.

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Like prayers and fasting?

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This is weird. None of the jewish people I know have been talking about this.

And if this is the way things are, then I don't see what all the fighting between Jews and Arabs is all about. They have quite a bit in common, it seems.

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they are the same people

they are both arabs....

one group is muslim and the other is jew

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Yes. They do. The problem thus is political.

Makes you wonder then why Muslims around the world hate Jews.

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^^ Muslims are just ignorant towards Jews. The hate would evaporate if the Israel-Palestine conflict is settled.

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Jews love muslims? news to me.

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does this remind you of another bus story that happened sometime in the 60's?

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It seems that it has become a crime to follow the orders of Allaah/Elohim whether the person is a Muslim or somebody who has not yet been introduced to the full teachings of Islaam but tries to follow what little has reached him of pass revelation.

May Allaah guide the people of the Taurat and Injeel to Islaam and reward them twice fold, Aameen.

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sounds like they need a Rosa Parks.