Israelis Battle Palestinians in Hunt for 6 Soldiers' Remains

Just when you thought things could not get much worse.

Palestinians said that they hoped to trade the soldiers’ body parts for prisoners held by Israel, though Israel immediately rejected any such exchange. On a blood-soaked sheet of brown paper, gunmen displayed for reporters what appeared to be brain matter and bits of flesh.

“They were able to take parts of bodies — hands, brains,” said Salama Hamad, 32, a gunman from the group Hamas, as he paused on the fringes of the fighting here today. “We’re going to ask for an exchange of prisoners.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/11/international/middleeast/11CND-MIDE.html?hp

Palestinain Butchers…

Hamas displays ‘Israeli remains’

Several militant groups claim to have gathered the soldiers’ bodies
Palestinian militants have paraded what they say are body parts from six Israeli soldiers blown to pieces by a bomb during a raid on Gaza City.
The soldiers’ vehicle was hit by a bomb claimed by Hamas in the deadliest attack on the army in more than a year.

The Israeli government has ordered troops to remain in the city until all of the six’s remains are recovered

At least eight Palestinians have been killed and 120 injured since the security drive began early on Tuesday.

Reports speak of Israeli troops making house-to-house searches in the tense city on Wednesday morning.

The Israeli soldiers were attacked after several hours of street fighting with gunmen in the Zeitoun area as they searched for suspected weapons workshops.

An Israeli helicopter gunship later fired a missile at a Palestinian car in the city, killing a 14-year-old boy and injuring two militants, Palestinian sources said.

At least two members of Hamas, which encourages attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians, died in the gun battles.

‘No negotiations’

An emergency meeting of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s inner cabinet late on Tuesday resolved to keep troops in the city until all the body parts of the six soldiers killed were found.

Mr Sharon said Israel was fighting a “cruel, inhuman enemy” as the army released the names of five of the dead.

Elsewhere, the army chief, Gen Moshe Yaalon, ruled out any negotiations with the militants who had “profaned” the dead men’s bodies.

The Israeli authorities have asked the International Committee of the Red Cross to help retrieve them and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has called for the bodies to be treated “according to religious and humanitarian traditions.”

**Correspondents talk of gruesome scenes in Gaza City, with militants showing off what they said were Israeli body parts and pieces of wrecked Israeli equipment. **

Qatari satellite TV broadcaster al-Jazeera has shown two militants it identified as Islamic Jihad members displaying a severed human head on a table.

**A masked Hamas gunman has also been seen holding up a blood-stained bag and the al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade has also claimed to have some of the remains. **

Hamas said it had drawn the Israeli vehicle into an area where it had several bombs waiting, and filmed the explosion.

The force of the fatal blast was increased by explosives being carried in the armoured vehicle itself for use in the incursion, the army said.

Hard knock

The Israelis say they found more than 30 machines used for making weapons in Zeitoun while the Palestinians say four workshops were hit.

BBC Middle East analyst Roger Hardy says the deaths of the soldiers will be a serious blow to Israeli forces.

He says Hamas supporters will see it as proof that the organisation has the ability to strike back to avenge the killing of two of its top leaders by the Israelis in March and April.

The latest Israeli deaths are the worst single blow to the army since November 2002, when eight Israeli soldiers, along with a border patrol officer and three civilian guards, were killed in an ambush in the West Bank city of Hebron.

killing soldiers is fine, i agree with it, but dont drag dead bodies or display them as trophies. no wonder no true mujahid fights in palestine..even the beloved sheikh abdullah azzam who was from palestin did not fight in it. i feel for the suffering for the palestinian citizens, and i wish a real mujahid army like that of checnya would come that would confront the terrorist israeli army, but as of now, palestine does not have any islamic jihad going on.

Now the fight is for dead bodies, quite a war.

Should Israel display the torso that is left of the suicide bomber after they have successfully completed there mission rather than respectfully giving back the suicide bombers body to the PA? Would the mutilated hunk of flesh deter future bombings or would the headless and limbless torso become a new symbol of the 'struggle'?

No country from America, to Europe and South Asia has guts to talk and discuss the realities of Arab-Israel conflict. Reason is very simple, the outstanding muslim population living in these countries.
Palatines are often seen dancing and in festive mood whenever Jews, most of the time civilians are killed, at the same time they mourn palestine deaths in huge demonstrations, parading the dead bodies, trying to politicize everything.
Let us find out if any time in past the paletines have honored the peace treaties.

dont trun this thread in palestinian people bashing, it is for condeming the so called palestinian mujahids, who i think are just militants and have no islamic ties...

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Let us find out if any time in past the paletines have honored the peace treaties.
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Are you for real, you seem to have forgotton the Zionist entity in your equation old chap, i wonder why that is!

SOwaving a copy of the quran wearing masks before blowing up kids in a pizza parlor takes the Islam out of it haan. Good..good..

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dont trun this thread in palestinian people bashing, it is for condeming the so called palestinian mujahids, who i think are just militants and have no islamic ties...
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Yes it is unislamic to mutilate bodies.

IF you live in palestine and you seen your kid brother or relative blown up by a US made Stinger missle fired by the ISraelis in thier US made attack helicopters, then you tell me what your reaction would be if you see these zionist so called soldiers around you and what you want to do with them!

Islam is not made of If...then...but statements. Allah only has mercy on those who follow the right path. Palestinians will never get their state as thigns are going. Have we forgotton the sabr jamil of Prophet Yaqub?

Is why I don't conteplate a move to Israel or Palestine.

Before aylah..

I would need to have evidence that people are treated decently. With honor.

Never would I accept ugliness toward fellow inbitants.

Never would I accept monetary gain to move to occcupied territory.

what?
so now after the iraqi prisoner abuse scandal, as i am angry, i can go and sodomize americans to take “revenge” for the iraqis??? this mentality is the cause of our loss. no one is saying that palestinians do not suffer, but to ignore islam is not excusable. the prophet :saw: saw his uncle’s body mutilated and the liver taken out and chewed upon, but did he then go and order the mutilation of dead of kuffar? fight against oppression in limits set by islam…kill the oppressors, but leave the dead to be dealt by allah, dont go and act on your barbaric animalistic desires just because the enemy is an animal…thats my point…

imdad

You don`t live in the situation of palestine and neither do i. After all the zionist have been doing to palestinians what reaction do you expect to give these coward zionist soldiers.

It is incorrect to mutilate i already stated that. And we cannot judge who allah(swt) will give mercy to or not.

thandy yes i agree on your point i have stated several times about mutilation issue.

cool, we are in agreement then…:hug:

‘Coward zionist soldiers,’ words are really strange. Who is coward? A small tiny State of Israel or twenty times bigger, in size and population, huge Arabistan?
Ak, come out of hypocrisy, what you are discussing, politics in disguise of religion or vice versa? Do Mujahiddin prohibit American made arms, and use only Ak47 made in Bulgaria?
A little child is killed in Zionist attack, elders are butchered by Israel soldiers….such comments are old tactics to inflate muslims. Find something new!

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‘Coward zionist soldiers,’ words are really strange. Who is coward? A small tiny State of Israel or twenty times bigger, in size and population, huge Arabistan?
Ak, come out of hypocrisy, what you are discussing, politics in disguise of religion or vice versa? Do Mujahiddin prohibit American made arms, and use only Ak47 made in Bulgaria?
A little child is killed in Zionist attack, elders are butchered by Israel soldiers….such comments are old tactics to inflate muslims. Find something new!
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You have gone off topic but none the less

Cowards are the Zionist entity that bullies and kills a people who have no state, a state which was stolen by the zionists, funny how these simple facts slip your mind when posting why is that?

Religion/ Politics in disguise hmmmm can you give me example and proove this point before i refute it because it does`nt make sense to me!

As for ak47 or missles from russia or amerikka they are a product not owned by anyone who has the right to own missles Russia, China, Timbuktu? they are generic a product made by thinking and using the mind not owned by any culture or religion. It is like saying can i drink mineral water from France the answer is obviously yes!

Wheras if i was singing the national anthem of US or wearing Bhuddist orange clothing of the Bhuddist religion this something i could not do as this is clearly from the culture of these people.

Killing of people will inflame anyone that is natural you should discuss why is this happening the reasons for this.

Well,

negociating for the return of body parts?

I never thought that the world would degenerate into this barbarity.

Go ahead, give me the root causes speech. Let me know precisely what authorizes this outrage agains human bodies. It is unfathomable that we still have apologists (After all the zionist have been doing to palestinians....) who attempt to justify this behavior.

Ohioguy

Right about now, you'll be surprised at what is acceptable and what isn't.

On a seperate note, if you want to make sum quick bucks, direct the sequel to Dawn of the Dead and use the footage from Israel, Palestine and Iraq. No need to pay actors!

Thandymazq & ak47, you have made this issue into one of the fact that mutilating bodies is disgusting, and I utterly agree with that.

However, there is no evidence to suggest that the corpses were deliberately mutilated by the Palestinians. What I've seen and read is that they used a considerable amount of high-explosive to the blow up the Israeli APC, which led the the infantrymen inside being disintegrated.

Of course, they are still not exactly treating the dead with respect (i.e thety're putting them (in pieces) on display, which is rather sickening. But it's still a different issue from actual mutilation of the dead.

err hello? someones forgotten the fact that just before this incident over a hundred homes had been 'demolished', i wonder how many palestinians were crushed alive

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err hello? someones forgotten the fact that just before this incident over a hundred homes had been 'demolished', i wonder how many palestinians were crushed alive
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we have not forgotten our brothers and sisters, but that calamity does not give them the right to ignore islamic laws against defiling the dead..once they are killed, our job is done, no more politics....thats the only point i was making