Israeli Terrorists kill 23 palestinians!

**Israeli forces killed at least 23 Palestinians yesterday on one of the bloodiest days of the intifada, as the army made a rare push into the heart of a heavily defended Gaza refugee camp. **

A single tank shell claimed seven lives, many of them said by witnesses to be unarmed teenagers. But doctors said it was difficult to tell because the bodies were blown apart.

More than 100 people were wounded, including children, as Palestinian insurgents put up prolonged resistance to the attack on Jabaliya, a Hamas and Islamic Jihad stronghold.

Three Israelis were killed yesterday: two soldiers, and a settler who was out jogging when she was shot by a Palestinian sniper.

The shell that killed seven people was fired by a tank next to the school. The army said the tank was responding to a rocket attack. The wounded included 10-year-old Ahmed Salem, who was hit in the leg by shrapnel.

“There was a man next to me who had no head,” he said.

Amid chaotic scenes at the Kamal Adwan hospital, its director, Mahmoud Asali, said more than 100 people were wounded in yesterday’s fighting, with many in a critical condition.

“There are some without legs, some without arms, some without eyes. More will die,” said Dr Asali.

“If they think they can conquer Jabaliya they are fools,” said a masked Hamas fighter who gave his name only as Hassan. "This will be their grave. They know that. Look at them hiding in the buildings.

“Are we terrorists for resisting when they come and de stroy our homes and kill us? They say it is to stop the Qassams. How many rockets have they fired at our homes?”

for five weeks in July and August, ostensibly to stop rocket attacks. Soldiers killed 20 people, destroyed 400 hectares (1,000 acres) of orange groves and other agricultural land, and demolished 68 homes; but the rockets kept flying.

Leaflets were yesterday dropped over northern Gaza by Israeli helicopters, warning Palestinians that “terrorism pushes you further into a life of misery and poverty”.

Gaza’s former security chief, Mohammed Dahlan, who is backed by Britain to play a leading role in the territory after the Israeli withdrawal, said the raid on Jabaliya would “result in a bloodbath on both sides, because the Palestinian people cannot remain silent in the face of this aggression”.
23 killed in Israeli raid on refugee camp

Israeli terrorists like those other Amerikkan terrorists in Iraq continue there bloodthirsty crusade against the muslim peoples. While the people of power i.e the armies of the muslim countires just sit there with thier shining there new weapons and not lifting even a finger to help!

Israel is the biggest terrorist of all. Rest of the world already realizes that unlike stupid Americans who are brainwashed. Take a look at Europoll in which even europoeans think that Israel is the biggest threat to world peace.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35383

What do we do knowing that Israel is a threat to world peace? The American foreign policy is that the world can go hell but nothing will happen to Israel. There is a religious aspect to is. Populating of the land of Israel for the 2nd coming.... or something like that. Lot of U.S. missionaries have been going to Israel and there is a grown weariness in Israel about the love that U.S. holds for them. They are very aware of the prostylizing activities of the U.S. missionaries.

But that aside, for those who do not hold Israel in much regard, what do you think the Muslims in the U.S. can/should do?

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What do we do knowing that Israel is a threat to world peace? The American foreign policy is that the world can go hell but nothing will happen to Israel. There is a religious aspect to is. Populating of the land of Israel for the 2nd coming.... or something like that. Lot of U.S. missionaries have been going to Israel and there is a grown weariness in Israel about the love that U.S. holds for them. They are very aware of the prostylizing activities of the U.S. missionaries.

But that aside, for those who do not hold Israel in much regard, what do you think the Muslims in the U.S. can/should do?
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Salams the muslims in da US can carry on exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the illegal state of israel. They should show how and why the israeli state is an illegal state built on the blood of palestinians no need to lie just tell truth and generate public opinion.

As for the military solution this will have to come from the muslim lands, untill there is an islamic state which without doubt after some time will go after and neutralise the squatter state of israel. When this happens the public opinion that is created in the west will show it is a just cause.

well, lets see what is the justfication behind killing 28 innocent people..i thought at least we should listen to other party too…does not mean we have to agree too…

Israel Justifies Gaza Incursion
6:16 pm PST, 1 October 2004

An Israeli helicopter has fired missiles into Gaza City, as the army intensifies its operation against Palestinian militants, with up to 100 tanks entering the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza.

Palestinian witnesses say a Hamas militant has been killed and eight other Palestinians have been wounded.

The day before, 28 Palestinians and three Israelis were killed, making it Gaza’s bloodiest day in the four years of conflict since the beginning of the latest Palestinian uprising.

The move follows the Israeli security cabinet’s unanimous approval of a plan for a major military operation in Gaza.

Zalman Shoval, a senior advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister, says the offensive is intended to stop militants launching rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel.

But the Palestinian cabinet minister, Saeb Erekat, says Israel is using disproportionate force in the operation.

Meanwhile, the United States has called on Israel to impose limits on its latest offensive in the northern Gaza Strip.

http://7am.com/cgi-bin/wires02.cgi?1000_2004100108.htm

Actually this would be more like listening to the other side. Anyway, noone is going to give up on violence as both sides have similar doctrines, so more of the same in the future.

The Israel Defense Forces released video footage Friday taken by an unmanned aircraft showing what appeared to be Palestinians in the Gaza Strip loading rockets into a vehicle marked “U.N.”

The black-and-white footage, taken by a drone - or unmanned aircraft - flying over the Gaza Strip, showed the militants driving off in the white van, with “U.N.” marked in black on its roof.

The IDF is furious at the United Nations representatives in the Gaza Strip, “who continuously stress that they are an international organization and of course is not in any way involved in terrorism,” Channel 1 TV quoted IDF officials as saying.

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... the muslims in da US can carry on exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the illegal state of israel. ...
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Nope... this doesn't happen. Let alone Israel... it's a non-issue, really. We haven't even risen up to speak up for the injustices we are personally facing and these are increasing with time... in our society... both officially and unofficially. If we can't help our ownselves, do we really care what is happening in other countries where we do not live?

We have a present danger affecting our lives and livelihood, here and now. We have a battleground we have been put on by our own. We are failing in our own fight. How can we give any help to those fighting in a battleground oceans away? We do not have the circumstances were our voices, any that rise up in their defense currently, carry any effectiveness for we are the pariah people.

Any face with the faith of Islam behind it is a potential terrorist. How much influence can we carry as terrorists or as those who are with the terrorists? We have a long way to go.... long way to make inroads and be in positions of power before a change can happen to make our voices viable components of any issues be they national or international. Hence, unless we change our circumstances here, at home, there is nothing we can do, say that will have any meaning or bearing.

Muslims are persona non grata right now, in the U.S., thanks wholly to the acts of biggoted Islamo-fascists!

ak47 bhai...show ur anger against the terrorists who are bombing shia mosques...not a single post from u in that thread

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ak47 bhai...show ur anger against the terrorists who are bombing shia mosques...not a single post from u in that thread
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I remember reading about the wave of sectarian killings in Pakistan few years ago where Muslims were openly killing Muslims in the mosuqes. I looked hard but I never saw nor heard any statements condemning the killings by any religious authority but I might be wrong. I had thought the the Quran spoke very clearly on this point. Seems that a new version of the Quran has come out in the last 10-15 years. The version I have talks very strictly against killing of Muslims, and any innocent, more so, by Muslims.

That was the most surprising thing during the killings... that the religious scholars..... were quiet. They should have been out on the streets and trying to stop the violence that was debasing their own faith. I guess Muslim on Muslim killing is more tolerable in Islam then other wise and that's why we see a great number of protests and irate people when Muslims are killed by non-Muslims. We can stand to accept seeing babies being killed for Islam by having their throats sliced....... you ever seen a baby or a small child in your home... imagine him or her laying on the ground with his/er throat sliced.

But back to your point... we talk about house of Allah when we talk about the mosques. Who is Allah? What is Allah? What is his significance? Why do we refer to Him so much? What significance His house has?

Does Allah really matters? Does His house carry any significance, any value? More then you, this question is for those who claim to know Islam and keep quiet seen their own faith being trashed by their own... will the ulema, if they can be called that much, pay a price for their silence in the hereafter?

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ak47 bhai...show ur anger against the terrorists who are bombing shia mosques...not a single post from u in that thread
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sheraz i am very diisturbed by the killings of any muslims shia or sunni.

I have posted many times already on this topic if i did'nt post this time i am sorry, if you search previous posts i have made my view clear on this subject already!

GAZA, Oct. 3 (Xinhuanet) -- Nine Palestinians were killed and ten others wounded on Sunday, the fifth day of an Israeli offensive against northern Gaza Strip, Palestinian medics said.

They said that three Palestinian children, who suffered critical wounds on Friday and Saturday, died at Shiffa Hospital in Gaza City Sunday evening. 

The medics said earlier that four Palestinians were killed at predawn on Sunday after an Israeli tank fired one shell at a Palestinian house in the eastern part of Jabalya refugee camp. 

They said that three of the four were militants, and the other was a 26-year-old deaf and dumb man, who was killed as he was on the roof of his house. 

** The Information Center of the Palestinian Health Ministry said that more than 70 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli onslaught.**