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I am surious about People’s opinion as to this article!?! though that would apear to be fairly clear, i was recently rebuked by captain1.

War Crimes: How Israeli Soldiers Kill and Civilians Grow Numb
** By Orit Weksler, AlterNet. Posted December 12, 2006.**

                One Israeli officer says the world doesn't seem to notice killing in small numbers. And those closest to the violence become too scared to empathize for those who die. 

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  J and I met in middle school. He was a thin guy passionate about music; I was a raging teen who smoked way too much pot. We both went through our parents' divorces at the same time. We celebrated our birthdays in the same week. We were good friends- best friends at times. We graduated from high school and served in the army. I married, had a family and moved to the United States. He stayed, not only in Israel but also in the military, eventually becoming a high-ranking intelligence officer. We managed to keep our friendship for twenty years now.

When I visited Israel this summer we spent some time together, cruising the streets of Tel Aviv where the best lattes in the world are served in sunny, stylish sidewalk cafés. We talked about love, family and yoga. J, who had just returned from a month long retreat in India, shared his experiences and photos. We discussed old friends, music and art. There’s nothing like hanging out with a childhood friend.
Then the war started. The way I saw it Israel was showering Lebanon with bombs, spraying it with artillery. My friend J said Hezbollah had too much ammunition. We had to destroy it sooner or later, this is as good a time as any, he said. Fine, I argued, I could see the need to destroy weapons that are aimed at civilian targets inside Israel, but why bomb Beirut? Why bomb civilians? Everyone does that, said J, the trick is to kill them three by three, not in big numbers. That way the world doesn’t even notice.
Israel’s summer adventures in Lebanon left the region with more grief, vengeance and hate. I flew back to California, inspired by my friend J to take up yoga.
Israel is still killing its neighbors three by three and as my friend pointed out, the world doesn’t seem to notice. When 17 civilians, mostly women and children were killed in their sleep in the northern part of Gaza strip, there was some discussion about it in the UN. But Israel is killing civilians every day claiming it to be a war against those who are launching rockets at the southern Israeli towns of Shderot and Ashkelon.
In the winter of our senior year of high schools J and I would climb on the roof of his Jerusalem apartment building. Those were the days of the Gulf War and schools were closed. We would climb up there when the sirens sounded and cheer the scud missiles on their way to Tel Aviv. Our friends from the coast were terrified; a fact we found to be amusing. Only weeks before, they refused to visit us claiming that Jerusalem was too dangerous because of the riots and stabbings. And yes, it was dangerous, and we were afraid to walk to school. But now we knew that the Iraqis wouldn’t aim at Jerusalem. Enjoying the unexpected school break, the fear of our friends in Tel Aviv felt surreal. The fact that it was they who were now in greater danger was a comic relief.
It’s so easy to lose your capacity for empathy when you are scared.
A preschool teacher was killed in Gaza this past November while riding a bus with her students on their way to school. Well, there might have been someone driving on that same road that was planning to launch a missile, an Israeli would say to herself. She won’t be thinking what it would be like for her own daughter to see her preschool teacher falling to the floor of the bus in a pool of blood.
Of course she can’t be thinking of that, this Israeli mother who could have been me. That kind of thought is too terrifying. For an Israeli mother this situation is so real that when it happens to others it might actually be relieving. For her and other Israelis, who have been subject to attacks on civilians for as long as they can remember, it might not be possible to see the suffering of others. They’re too scared.
But their government, generals and intelligence officers have no right to be scared. They are abusing their people’s fear, their inability to empathize. They’re killing and wounding Palestinian civilians one by one, two by two, three by three every day in the name of this fear.
Israeli society is worn, torn and terrified. It’s led by an irresponsible government that is making them all into criminals of war. Because what Israel is doing in Gaza these past months is a war crime by any standard.
My friend J is very dear to me. I know he thinks his service in the Israeli Intelligence saved lives. Perhaps it did. Still I think nothing can justify civilian killings- neither mass killings nor killings that are done one by one. For those families it really doesn’t matter if their children were all killed on the same day or during a course of a whole month.
Those of us who are lucky not to be living in fear, those of us who know this kind of life is possible, are obligated to stand up against war crimes that are committed in the name of fear and in abuse of peoples inability to see their neighbors’ pain.
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http://www.alternet.org/stories/45284/

here’s the link for this article that my friend Z fwd’d

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trust israellis to exploit this loophole

this is exactly why an unprecedented campaign against the israellis is needed. we dont all have to jump at them, but i hope someone smacks them back real hard.

what a despicable set of people

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^^ And you accuse Israelis of racism

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no, i accuse israel of being full of terrible people

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if required zionism or whatever they are suffering from needs to be smacked out of them

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Well they are not. Circumstances have forced them to act sometimes in this manner.

I know many Israelis and all of them want peace with the Palestinians but as long as Palestinians still have this genocidial notion of wiping out all Israelis then it will never happen.

Its funny how you accuse Israelis of being terrible people when you have never met one in your life and only time you see them are in the biased and racist broadcast on Arab Media.

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^^they are not moving fast enough

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actually for the one poor little al-jazeera - known as arab media, there are like 20 corporate media stations that are hell bent on portraying Israel as the victim much like you are with statements like - Palestininas wanting to wipe Israel off!!! - when infact lets look at numbers again mercenary!!! b/t Israeli's and Palestininas who is more violent?!!!!!!!!! ah..the number of palestinian dead, crushed, homes destroyed, livelyhood also destroyed..... the evil inflicted on palestinians is soooooo much more then whatever palestininas are able to inflict back!

point being....in the case of Israel v. Palestine...Israeli state totally takes the cake when it comes to being evil - they win hands down!!!!!!!!

Israel's are peaceful i am sure, thats why i say that the gov't of israel is letting down its ppl very much like the current administration is letting down people in the US! the fact that likkud would much rather the money be spent on building jobs and infrastructure in Israel rather then buidling settlements!

Patriatism is a virtue of the vicious!

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Maybe because constant attacks on Israel have forced Israelis to choose security over peace.

Israel and Syria almost made peace in 1995 but then Hamas struck during the March 1996 Suicide bombings which led to the right wing Netanyahu government coming to power.

And if Al Jazeera just shows the Palestinian side of the issue then arent they also biased agaisnt Israel?

Arent all Governement controlled Media and Independent Media such as Al Jaeera in the Islamic World biased agaisnt Israel?

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the israellis are smug - irritatingly pleased with themselves

for justice to prevail, they have to suffer. peace from here on in or any other time wont offer justice.

humanity will suffer if justice isnt done

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we (the Muslim world) are about to be in a major conflict among ourselves. with Iraq going down the drain this conflict will spread all over the Muslim world. radicals from both side will win and innocent will lose. and yes they will suffer in the name of Allah or which ever Allah either side preaches.

i think before we start questioning Israel's tactics we should look at what we are doing to our own Muslim brothers.

we as Muslims have to unite against the radical fundoo's become a normal community with civil liberties for all and then we can take care of Israel issue. until then look inside for suffering before you call it upon someone else.

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your right massive reform in the muslim world is needed.

however, not everyone is needed to fight israellis. it may be a fruitful tactic to let a few fundos loose on israel. its a matter which demands urgent action by any means

'fundos' wouldnt be around today if it wasnt for this issue anyway

the wrongs and rights of tactics we may be forced to take against israel are debateable. it may be an idea to debate it after, rather then before, as a direct result of the gross smugness of israel

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actually in re Israel, Al-Jazeera has gone out of its way to show the Israeli side of the story, u should really read up on them b4 generalizing this way!

i am also curious mercenary what do u think of the Palestinian people who are killed by Israel? do u sorta think ...yea necessary casualties to protect Israel?! or do u think the more that die the better it is? i have even heard some ppl in support of Israel speak of palestinians as cockroaches that should be exterminated..do u agree? I am genuinely curious about that. I wonder if the deaths of sooo many palestinians has an impact on people who support the Israeli state's "right" to continue doing more of this?

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i highly recommend you read the play "My name is rachael corrie" i used to think this way too! but I don't think demanding we fix ourselves and demandint that Palestinian people have rights is mutually exclusive. Don't u think that perhaps maybe we can do both?

I think that a part of fixing ourselves involves having enough dignity and strength to stand up against oppression, which means when someone brings up the topic of Israel-Palestine then we should not hide away ..but rather i think its virtious to stand up against all odds and all powers that be and sy no wahts happening to the Palestinian people is wrong. You have no idea how much they suffer!

Ofcourse ths does not mean we expend all our precious hours discussing Israel and Palestine, we should ofcourse expend those hours demanding that the Saudi regime be overthrown or atleast condemned by all Muslim nations as being evil! we should also demand that there be a recognition of the fact that Shia Sunni discord is being propogated in Iraq!

We should demand that the US goverment discuss how it is using American and Iraqi tax money to fund propaganda in iran and Iraq! I think its somehwere int eh billions the amount of money condi asked Congress for ..for propaganda purposes!

Its a two part healing process! we need to stand up for ourselves, demand that those corporate war mongering regimes that want us to kill each other stop! we also need to promote education, women's rights, human rights, within Muslim nations! We can not afford to sulk and hide, in as much as we can not afford to ignore our own inadequecies and vices!

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And not the Palestinians? Double standards abound...

Spare us the "I know many Israelis" clap trap. I know a good deal myself, being clost to North York and all...you got some serious racists in that mixed bag...have lunch with one quite often...

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To satisfy your curiosity, here are my views

1 - Palestinians are innocent victims of a war started by Arabs in 1948 to show who will emerge as the leader of the Arab World by killing Jews and destroying Israel.

2 - Arabs dont give a damn about Palestine. They basically use Palestine as a cause to keep the Islamists at bay.

3 - Palestinian hatred of Israelis has become racial and they are having a very difficult treating Jews as their equals.

4 - There would have been peace long ago if Israelis were of any other religion except Jews because Arabs and Palestinians have a hard time swallowing this.

5 - I feel terrible when palestinians die in Israeli air-strikes or ground incursions and similarly I feel terrible when Israeli civilians are killed in Palestinian terrorist attacks.

6 - Its up to the Palestinians to make peace with Israel becuase Israel holds all the cards. 70% of all Israelis are willing to give up the West Bank for peace with the Palestinians but when they want to destroy Israel, do you really expect Israel to make peace under those circumstances?

7 - Israel has every right to exist and so does Palestine.

8 - I love Islam and proud to be a Muslim and I absolutely hate stupid Muslims who blemish the name of Islam and taking quotes from the Quran out of context. Because they insult my religion which I love.

Are you satisfied yet?

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Most Jews who support Israel are more militant than the ones who live in Israel

In same ways look at British Pakistanis, they are more militant than most Pakistanis

I never went to York University, I go to UWO

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Israel is a country born out of bitterness and hostility, and its simply carrying on that tradition... Eventually, it to will colapse like any corrupt state.

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keep dreaming:halo:

Israel has one of the most educated populations on the planet. It is a leading country in agriculture, water management, internet and IT development.

Heck even this software used for Gupshup VBulletin is written by an Israeli