Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Go tell that to the Israeelis, not us... And if youre holding us accountable for Gen Haq, let me assure you, most of us here do not support his policies... I agree with the part where you said make peace not war, but peace cannot be achieved with agression, which Israel has been so intent on...
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Suicide bombings and other terrorist acts against the innocent does not help the Muslim cause.
Let everyone live in Peace. Make peace not war. 
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
I think it would be important for all countries to support peaceful groups on both sides.
Indeed. Pakistan can play a major role.
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
What is your problem? You guys complain about everything. Someone sends a civilized message of congratulations, and you mock that?
Seriously.
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
fraudia and aalsi you guys seem more naive then the saudis on this. are you drinking some hippy-cola? peace, love, harmony hasnt been shown by the nation hell bent upon a zealot religious extremist campaign. a nation that feels it has the god given right to ethnically clean its chosen land.
theres many facets of this conflict that cannot be ignored including israels blatant refusal for a fair and just settlement.
the fact is, even if you dont like, pakistanis feel repulsed by the way israel has muscled in on palestine. pakistanis feel repulsed by the way israel has beaten up poor ol' arabs, who we all know cant fight. 60 years the've had to make peace and yet they refuse. i'll repeat what spock mentioned before, i expect everyone not just muslims to condemn the israellis for their actions. its case for the whole of humanity to take up against the evil policies of the zionists.
certainly pakistan can not afford to take an offensive position on this (for free of getting ko'd) but it can refuse to recognise until a settlement has been reached. dont be scared and if your scared, pakistan should build up its defences until such a point that its views can be respected. or else it should join back up with india, bladdy waste of a flag space amongst all the independent nations. however, pakistan at the moment does represent its people on this issue. mizz aslam herself has commented on iran's right to nuclear weapons saying she believes only a nuclear free ME can prevent poliferation
it 'may' be that you are sick of belonging to a muslim nation(minus aalsi :)), but a muslim nation is what you belong to. get over it and represent the good, portray your dismay at israelli action and request a forthwith settlement. besides no matter what country you belong to, it'll always take some amount of carelessness(polite word for it) to recognise israel at this stage.
as a rule of thumb, if you call for the establishment of palestinian state then your political position is to withhold your recognition of israel. if you dont place settlement of unresolved issues as a clause then yes you can recognise israel. i mention this because many pakistanis who arnt naturally into politics think they can pretend to hold political views that they dont actually subscribe to when looked at in-depth.
i also know that many people subscribe to a media portrayed image of israel that is far from reality, because they are sick of fighting against the status quo. namely the notion that israel wants peace, palestinians dont
teflon
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SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]You seem to be suffering from a virulent form of Anti-Semitic fever. Islam denounces Anti-Semitism in all its forms and manifestations. Israel is a name given to Prophet Jacob and is mentioned in the Holy Quran many times. Arabs in Israel have more rights than most Pakistanis do in Arab countries. How come the Arab countries are not speaking up against the genocide in Darfur?
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im not an anti semite and i dont give discounts to semites either:)
arabs or even pakistan dont generally speak up about anything unless it concerns them or they are asked for their views. pakistan has tried to organise a peaceforce along with arab and muslim partners.
are you pro semite because they became muslim? i trust you do know that the current lineage of israellis extends back to eastern europe?
are you anti arab because they dont send out forces to trouble spots?
answers to these questions will stick even on teflon!
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
no personal attacks there.
id like your view on why ''we are wrong, they are right'' philosophy that you are seemingly going by
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
to be fair pakistans only part in this issue is the non recognition of israel formally. as the title of this thread suggests underhand dealings are going on
same for arabs, nobody has done anything about israel. no effort, no results. want success but settle for keeping quiet and accepting faillure.
a success in this cause de celebre will bring results. if it had been done before iraq would have been saved. the spineless political leaders that the muslim world has had have been partly responsible for iraq where 2million people have lost their lives over the last 20 years for this.
its not in the interests of the muslim world to sort this out via accepting that they should never have opposed israel in the first place
lets at least have mutual coming togather. ie no change in our ME policy
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Pakistan should put together a timetable with tangible targets over the next 12 months to start the process of normalising relations with Israel.
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Israel is not ethnic cleansing its arabs. If it was, there would be no arabs in government.
What israel wants is for the arabs to listen to them and live on their terms. which i dont see anything wrong with because the pakistanis want the waziristanis and balochistanis to do the same.
do you call the province of balochistan an "occupied" balochistan?
the arabs fought against the Osmanli Sultanate and it collapsed less than 100 years ago. They trusted the British Empire over the Osmali Sultanate; not i. They fought against the Israelis and lost 3 times; not i. They are the losers, not i.
I dont see a reason to have to but in to this horsehit on behalf of arabs. Im not arab, and they truly dont want me meddling in their affairs as they understand it best.
I feel i should solemly recognize Israel, and use it as a strong trading partner. Its only going to get more powerful because Dickheads dont run its goverment.
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Pakistan should put together a timetable with tangible targets over the next 12 months to start the process of normalising relations with Israel.
israel doesnt work to dictates from external uninvolved states re 60 years and counting
clueless suggestion
Re: Israeli President congratulates Musharraf on Presidential election win.
Why congratulations from Israel only? What about other nations including leaders of Muslim countries? That is quite surprising. His election is not legal till supreme court decides and issue an official notification.