Israel will not demand Hizbollah disarm/Does Hezbollah need to disarm? (merged)

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**Israel will not demand Hizbollah disarm

**JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel will not demand the immediate disarming of Hizbollah as part of a deal to end the current fighting in Lebanon, a senior Israeli foreign ministry official said on Saturday.

Israel’s stance could make it easier to reach an agreement with major powers and the Lebanese government on the deployment of a peacekeeping force in south Lebanon.

Hizbollah would almost certainly reject a peacekeeping force whose mandate calls for its disarmament.

The foreign ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Israel would demand that the proposed peacekeeping force in south Lebanon keep Hizbollah away from the Israeli border and prevent the group from replenishing its stockpile of rockets from Syria and Iran.

The official told Reuters that Israel was seeking a commitment to “start the process of implementing” U.N. Security Council resolution 1559, which calls for disarming Hizbollah.

“But disarming Hizbollah now is not what Israel is demanding,” the official said, adding that “disarming Hizbollah will not be part of the mandate for the (peacekeeping) mission.”

http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID
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Another backdown by Israel. which is understandable of course, it wasnt possible for them to get past the first hurdle, i.e. bint jbail. Another victory for hezbullah methinks.

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hahahaha,

Of course they will not demand Hizbullah disarm. They are forcibly disarming Hizbullah as we speak. It will take Hizbullah 5 years to re-arm and retrain when the Israelis are done with them. Bint Jbail was a tough little fight, but it was also the heart of the resistance, and probably the toughest fight. Isreal is mobilizing thousands more troops, while the number of Hizbullah fighters is reduced every day.

The definition of an optimist? Looking at a pile of horse crap and announcing, “With all this crap there must be a pony in here somewhere!”.

What part of “Reduced to Rubble” do you not understand?

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^ As usual nothing but turning away from reality. The reducing to rubble has not been hezbollah but the innocent civilians who are being deliberately targeted by the brave terrorists of IDF. What part of deliberate murder of innocent people do you not understand. Now lets have your rambling 30 lines reply which has nothing of substance.

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^^ Ok, I'll save you the rambling.

Tough crap.

If Hezbullah wants a fight, they have it. That is their choice, and they certainly are doing their best to kill civilians by firing thousands of unguided rockets into Israel. You cannot claim the high ground when these rockets and the ones from Gaza have no hope in Hell of hitting a valid military target.

Screw 'em, they deserve the consequences of their policies.

What part of "Picking a fight with a massively superior military force will get you and a lot of innocent men women and children killed in a big assed war" do *you *not understand.

Fool.

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the question is what was actually reduced to rubble? nowt but civlians homes, milk factories and bridges. hezbullah live in bunkers dude, they weren’t affected at all. read the article i posted earlier, where Israeli military stunned their air war failed against hezbullah.. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4277881&postcount=3

So it seems the only way isreal is mobilising troops right now is backwards in to israel. :hehe:

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Ma, do you think that the buildings that were hit were completly at random?

Report: Nasrallah’s banks bombed

          **NBC reports IDF bombed Lebanese banks holding Hizbullah money in framework of Israel’s attempt to destroy terror group’s financial infrastructure**

Yitzhak Benhorin

WASHINGTON – NBC television reported Tuesday that the IDF has bombed Lebanese banks holding Hizbullah money, this in the framework of Israel’s attempt to destroy the terror group’s financial infrastructure.
According to the report, in the past few days Israel has intentionally targeted financial institutions in Beirut and other cities throughout Lebanon, among them Tyre, Sidon and Nabatiyeh.
Israeli intelligence sources told NBC that at least 12 financial institutions that supported Hizbullah were attacked, adding that the organization, which secretly managed its funds, is now short on cash due to the bombings.
Some of the banks that held Hizbullah accounts were completely destroyed, while others were purposely damaged but not completely demolished.

NBC said that in one incident the Israeli Air Force bombed the home of a bank manager as a warning to other Lebanese bankers not to deal with Hizbullah.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3280926,00.html

Hizbullah has also become very wealthy. Remember the “Hizbullah will pay a price line”? That was quite literal.

Hezbollah’s decision to increase operations against Israel was not taken lightly. The leadership of Hezbollah has not so much moderated over the years as it has aged. The group’s leaders have also, with age, become comfortable and in many cases wealthy. They are at least part of the Lebanese political process, and in some real sense part of the Lebanese establishment. These are men with a radical past and of radical mind-set, but they are older, comfortable and less adventurous than 20 years ago.

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=125&id=4670&t=A+closer+look+at+Hezbollah’s+motives

The Real Estate Holdings of Hizbullah leaders have been reduced to rubble, as well as any headquarters buildings. Price paid.

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Obviously they want to kill and annihlate everyone else under that umbrella. i.e. MUSLIMS and ARABS especially

Puh, wussies of the past.......

"no we wont go, the armies of the philistines are much powerfuller than us, you and your God go and fight"

......are HEROES **and TYRANTS **of today!

SHows something about **US **lot

Pathetic!

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So Hizbiz drink gahawa (tea) in "bunkers" while their people lose their homes, offices, and lives? Ok so they may not only drink gahwa, they are lobbing fatooshash katooshas as well.

So who is being protected by the brave warriors of Hizbiz? May be the gahwa-girls!

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err they have to live to be able to fight.

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So hezbollah are firing rockets form Beirut, are they? Yes or no?

if not than why are the terrorist targeting the innocent civilians there. Oh I forgot they are hiding in Beirut from where they make a quick dash to the front line , fire a rocket and than run back to Beirut. Why don't you accept the truth, Israel likes killing Innocent Muslims and America cannot send them armaments fast enough to help them in this massacre. So who is a fool now. Stop throwing personal insults in future. if you can't argue in a civilised manner than don't. If you lose an argument don't get personal.

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pathetic excuse to destroy civilian infrastructure. Hezbollah might be owning a big chunk of real estate, lets wipe out most of Lebanon with cluster bombs so Hezbollah wouldn't be rich anymore. I am sure the milk factories, ambulances destroyed were also properties of Hezbollah.

Someone is covering their a$$es for not being able to remove Hezbollah's ammunition.

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Hizbullah gambled that Israel would not start a war. They screwed up. Blame them first, as they are the leadership of a great part of Lebanon. It's about time that these militias take responsibility for their actions, and suffer the consequences for their adventurous gambits. People will then understand that radicals like Hizbullah and Hamas that espouse the violent overthrow of their neighbors come with liabilities.

People support Hizbullah and Hamas because they provide services on the ground that governments are supposed to provide. There is no Surgeon General warning that comes with it that say, "Consuming this Agenda may be hazardous to Your Health". Now they know that if they support radical and violent agendas, everything is at risk. Until now the weak responses convinced people that the risk of retaliation was not so great.

And mawarid. Take a look at how long I have been here buttercup. Now please point out to me the sovereign nation of South Lebanon. Did that country spring up un-noticed? When a country goes to war, the entire country has valid targets. When a heavily armed militia attacks from Lebanese soil it puts the entire country at war. It is not Israels repsonsibility to parse good guys from bad guys. It is the responsibility of the Lebanese people to keep rougue elements from attacking neighboring countries from Lebanese soil.

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Oh just wait and see how many times they go around the table doing table dance... Since they know they cannot do jack about Hizb they change their story. Since they know there is no way to get two captured terrorist back, another spin. Since they know they cannot win, their objective becomes running south of southern Lebanon. May be if musslas can get their act together and finish what European Christians started during WWII.

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From Sky news (night, 29-07-2006): Demands and condition for ceasefire:

Lebanon demands and conditions: Immediate ceasefire, Shebaa farm area should be returned (it is around 14 square miles (around 35 square Km) very fertile farmland), all Lebanese prisoners in Israel should be released and giving of minefield maps in south Lebanon that Israel mined while occupying it during 1982-2000.

Israeli demands: Release of two soldiers, Hizbullah stops rocket attack on Israel and disarming of Hizbullah (now this demand of disarming has been put back).

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^^ umh, almost right.

Lebanon also offers to disarm Hizbullah as part of the ceasefire. In other words they are tossing Hizbullah into the trash:

**The two cabinet ministers representing Hezbollah voiced their reservations over some parts of the plan, such as the call for spreading Lebanese government authority over the entire country and strengthening an international force in south Lebanon. But Siniora told Aljazeera.net that Lebanon can no longer afford to be heavily bombarded by the Israelis every few years. That’s why, he insisted, the country should get to a situation where the Lebanese authorities are the only body that could hold weapons.
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I thought Israel's army backed out from Bint Jbail?!

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Yes, so that presents two options to Hezbullah. Reoccupy Bint Jbail, or quit Bint Jbail. Which do you think they will choose?

If they reoccupy, they will fall into a well laid trap. If they quit, that frees up Israeli troops to hit them in another town.

My guess is that they will reoccupy the town with 200 or so gunmen, who will be detected by drones flying overhead, and they will then be attacked and slaughtered.

30,000 new Israeli troops have been called up. What do you think they will do with them? Sit around playing backgammon? Probably not.

Hizbullah is drawn to Bint Jbail like flies to crap. Can they resist? Probably not.

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Aap buhut achchi goli daytay hou :D Where have you learned to throw so many BS in so little a time? Are you having practice in Israel?

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Yes, so that presents two options to Hezbullah. Reoccupy Bint Jbail, or quit Bint Jbail. Which do you think they will choose?

If they reoccupy, they will fall into a well laid trap. If they quit, that frees up Israeli troops to hit them in another town.

My guess is that they will reoccupy the town with 200 or so gunmen, who will be detected by drones flying overhead, and they will then be attacked and slaughtered.

30,000 new Israeli troops have been called up. What do you think they will do with them? Sit around playing backgammon? Probably not.

Hizbullah is drawn to Bint Jbail like flies to crap. Can they resist? Probably not.
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Israelis did not left Bint Jbail but Israeli elite force that tried to occupy Bint Jbail got defeated by Hizbullah guerrillas in Bint Jbail, and they ran away from there in order to save their life. According to TV reports, Hizbullah showed pictures of Israeli injured soldiers lying on their stomach on stretcher, claiming that they were running when shot and thus got bullets wounds on their back (seems that while Israelis were running, Hezbollah was taking their picture).

Israel admitted of many casualties in Bint Jbail, but it is obvious that Israel is hiding their casualties, especially military casualties as that makes their position weak and also demoralise their forces. Anyhow, according to Sky news, Israeli lost at least 18 soldiers dead and many injured in Bint Jbail before running from their (I believe that figures must be much larger). Thus, it was not Israeli retreated after capturing Bint Jbail but ran away after defeated there with huge casualties.

Nevertheless, there is no reason for Hizbullah to regroup there as they already hold their position in Bint Jbail. Regardless, Hizbullah is moving all around south Lebanon freely, attacking Israeli forces freely and firing rockets on Israel freely.

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30,000 new Israeli troops have been called up. What do you think they will do with them? Sit around playing backgammon? Probably not.
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As for that 30,000 new Israeli troops that have been called up (according to your mail), that is sign that probably many Israeli soldiers died, could be in thousands were slaughtered by Hizbullah and thus Israel needs more, in thousands. Probably Israel did not lost thousand of soldiers dead. Thus, most likely Israelis could not trust their scared soldiers and want to replace them with new soldiers (in thousands).

Regarding, what these new soldiers would do, it is obvious. They would do what others did before them in this war, that is to get slaughtered like pig.

Hizbollah claimed that most Israelis that attacked Bint Jbail, many were burned in their tanks. Hizbullah claimed that when it happened, their Mujahids could hear Israeli helpless cry for help from their inferno. Seems aggressors found their death they deserved. .

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Uh sure.

Watch and learn little boy.

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It is also being widely reported that Condi Rice has told Israel to withdraw from the Shebaa farms as part of an agreement to end this conflict. Another coming victory for Hezbollah/Lebanon. :k: